File name: JAC Budget Hearing FY13-14_120511am1.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 9 ~ 12/5/2011 9:22:17 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Representative Harshman will be in later today 25 ~ 12/5/2011 9:22:32 AM ~ Bill Mai: Explaining the agenda. Dave Gruber preliminary CIO bill this afternnon Confusion on LSO calendar. Meetings tmorrow start at 8 am for the remainder of the week. Rule 1: Chairs alternate daily. Quorom is 3 senators and 5 house members Rule 3 is subcommittees that the chairman might assign. Following rules are with procedures. 2 3:28 ~ 12/5/2011 9:25:35 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Real issue is markup..rule is quorom of entire majority Motion to adop, approved, seconded, rules are adopted 4:06 ~ 12/5/2011 9:26:13 AM ~ Chariman Nicholas: Budget hearings..try to ask agencies the names of who will be here so they can be typed down. Typicaly send out an email asking for a breakdown of the 900 series and the vendors who received them. Have asked for a breakdown of the 600 series and asked other things. Has that request cgone out 5:29 ~ 12/5/2011 9:27:37 AM ~ Bill Mai: Yes sir, agencies should be aware 5:40 ~ 12/5/2011 9:27:47 AM ~ Bret: 5:47 ~ 12/5/2011 9:27:54 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Get a vacancy report out, will change but good to see it, agency by agency and time features 6:09 ~ 12/5/2011 9:28:16 AM ~ Bill Mai: That has been requested and Bret Jones is working on it. Any positions vacant for longer than 12 months were excluded. 6:45 ~ 12/5/2011 9:28:52 AM ~ Bret Jones: spoke iwth bill about 900 series requests and vacancy reports, have asked agencies to bring those with them, will ask for the 600 series 7:36 ~ 12/5/2011 9:29:43 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Agency total employment by division, From 1990 to jpresetn. OUr staff has it broken down by total govt. would like to see agency by agency 8:13 ~ 12/5/2011 9:30:21 AM ~ Bill Mai: There is a 10 yr history broken down by agency in budget handbook but not by division, request for it was made 8:38 ~ 12/5/2011 9:30:45 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Part of what we want to see is growth by division. Other things from committee members 9:01 ~ 12/5/2011 9:31:08 AM ~ Chairman Berger: Do we have current AML breakdown? 9:16 ~ 12/5/2011 9:31:23 AM ~ Bill Mai: Yes we have it and it is in budget 9:26 ~ 12/5/2011 9:31:33 AM ~ Chairman NIcholas: We need the spreadsheet, the forecast and prognosis for dollars to continue. Fmap change, any way to know. What other elements to know. Big factors, want opinions from agencies. 10:10 ~ 12/5/2011 9:32:18 AM ~ Chariman Berger: Recap on tobacco and trust funds 10:23 ~ 12/5/2011 9:32:31 AM ~ Chariman Nicholas: Tobacco and other funds, will be asking for all trust funds, turn in list, add to list for other items needed, Section 900 by Vendor to see who is receiving and how it is going out. Grants and aid..need to use some judgement as to what is appropriate. 11:32 ~ 12/5/2011 9:33:39 AM ~ Chariman Berger: Location of chapter 17, where is that report. 11:46 ~ 12/5/2011 9:33:54 AM ~ Bill Mai: It is in my office. All A&I documents are on line. Direct links via agency numbers now 12:11 ~ 12/5/2011 9:34:18 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: All of agency and chapter 17 on CD 12:27 ~ 12/5/2011 9:34:35 AM ~ Chariman Berger: That would be helpful, trying to download dept of health did not work 12:45 ~ 12/5/2011 9:34:52 AM ~ Bill Mai: We can do that 12:52 ~ 12/5/2011 9:34:59 AM ~ Chariman Nicholas: Burn a copy for Game and Fish, .....hard copy of UW budget, hard copy of GAme and Fish and Highway and off agencies and burn on CD 13:24 ~ 12/5/2011 9:35:32 AM ~ Bill Mai: We can do that. At front of budgets is compiled set of sheets for two, five and ..percent cuts. 14:03 ~ 12/5/2011 9:36:10 AM ~ Rep. Steward: When we ask for a listo f savings, would it be possible to show how much return each acct made? 14:23 ~ 12/5/2011 9:36:30 AM ~ Chariman Nicholas: Talked to treasurer, will have annual report, good thing to ask them, any other questions, CD is work, get CD to take over holidays 14:58 ~ 12/5/2011 9:37:05 AM ~ Bill Mai: Get you thumb drives 15:14 ~ 12/5/2011 9:37:21 AM ~ Chariman Nicholas: With staff, get a list of agencies so folks know who will be reporting back so each of you know which agency you will carryy 15:42 ~ 12/5/2011 9:37:50 AM ~ Brett: Correctef profile to hand out for governor's budget, Governor will be referrring to it, will reflect different numbers in budget fund general reserve, corpus of willife trust, mistakes in health dept budget, small correction in operating budget of school facilities, will pass it out. 17:01 ~ 12/5/2011 9:39:09 AM ~ Chris: Governor is not here yet, will be here at 9:30 17:13 ~ 12/5/2011 9:39:21 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: This budget is in bank as it is, listen to discussions think about what infor you want for next biennium, would like to construct alternative scenerios for the next budget, insert Fmap increase, 5 - 10 % increase in health,. If we do nothing, will be here 2 yrs from now trying to figure out who should not get revenue. Instead of philosophy discussion, take it down to discussions of Math. Plenty of money do nothing, if not take corrective action now. For all of us no one wants to cut. Do you want to count on AML funds being there. We can do this mathematically. Challenge requires asst from Chirs and Bret's group,. Prepare budget for next biennium with different scenerios. Can predict carryover surplus. 20:46 ~ 12/5/2011 9:42:53 AM ~ Governor Mead enters 22:38 ~ 12/5/2011 9:44:45 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Welcome to the governor. 22:50 ~ 12/5/2011 9:44:58 AM ~ Governor Mead: Thank you to all for opportunity to explain budget. Give a score sheet, then address individual budgets that he wants to highlight. Total fun appropriation 2.74 billion, represents 1% reduction in spending,... Total of 3.4 billion.. 86 million for GF available to legislature and ..added to rainy day fund. Full time positions , 170 part time filled positions, a...at will employees...elected officials, 30 travel and tourism, judicial branch, not a good count on legislative branch, Nove pail report is 2059, more representative figure to talk about. 10000 is closer to the number, 26:33 ~ 12/5/2011 9:48:41 AM ~ Governor: 1 additional for secretary of state, 3 for military, 1 range support, 1 Gsa, 1 veterans, hospital board 2 awac, vet commison, 2 ft, 1 awac, transportation 5 full time, state land s, 1 additional, UW 312 new , office of admin hearings, total addition of 48 full time and six awacs reduction remove 4 from a& i, 1 attorney genral, 6 from dept of helath, family services, 1; livestock board, ...retirement, corrections...total reductions of 17 full time and 2 awacs. Big hit was Uw medical. Capital construction: 411 million; spc recommended 183 million without any community college, gove budget 210 million, 154+ GF... Aml 29:29 ~ 12/5/2011 9:51:37 AM ~ Aml Funding: ....45 million appropriated, 127...total available 20 million+ for school of enegery, 10 million for expansion, 10 millino for matching funds 1 million for natural gas project, 2 million for co2 gasline, 1 million for carbon, 840,000 for engineering and science bldg. Already appropriated, asking to be put to other uses, 23 million campbell county project....ozone , ttrust willife fund, 31:14 ~ 12/5/2011 9:53:21 AM ~ Governor: State has lost federal funding. Dept of health , dept of transportation, education, family services, community colleges, attorney generals office, workforce services, 32:03 ~ 12/5/2011 9:54:10 AM ~ School cap con construction: design, land purchase, component level projects, major maintenance, ..projects, ..track 403 million total 32:47 ~ 12/5/2011 9:54:55 AM ~ Governor: Cuts 17 millino from standard budget, 2, 5, 8 percent cuts, submitted budget that thinks is appropraite but has asked all agencies to prepare alternative budgets for those cut percentages. Some smaller agencies may have difficulty doing that. Agencies will have those budgets when they appear. Difficultyh in preparing budget, because of time and what is in standard budgets, tried to remove nogoing funding which is normally appropriate , approved exception requests of 400+ million. Standard budget reduced, had to include 37 million replacement for dept of Health, employee raises, UW raises to 91 % of market. 88 million that is appropriate context to llook at it . 35:37 ~ 12/5/2011 9:57:45 AM ~ Chairman 36:02 ~ 12/5/2011 9:58:09 AM ~ flatern Cap Con 3rd figure from bottom , is that correct 36:56 ~ 12/5/2011 9:59:03 AM ~ Nicholas Were you going through your own budget 37:14 ~ 12/5/2011 9:59:21 AM ~ Mead No, I was going through Dept of Ed. lloss funds I have also included addtional funds for teacher certification. A&I C I O be a seperate agency. Numereous agencies asking for laptops. We anticipate 40% savings running it through one agency. WE also added money into A&I for Community College funds. We have also included 5 mill for market pay and performance pay. We recognize this is a small amount. We will have a good system to evaluate. At Will, need new policy. Wy Military Dept. green house living 24 veterens to live at vererens home Natl Guard youth challenge. Funding supports youth challenge. They ask for 25 , we funded 6 Dept. of Ag $200,000 for the wolves on top of, and on top of $500,000 Attorney Generals Office replacement of federal funds. 2 positions at risk of loss. ITAC is in jerpody. $800,000 loss of fed money DEQ They have worked very hard to clean up backlog. Dept. of Audit THey have lost 7 positions We are hiring a new director States Parks They asked for some additional funding for archiving. work with cliff waters School Facilities Last 10 years 2 billion When we build them, we have to take care of them Water Development Comm. 2 we are short, Water Account 3 is healthy, Move money from 3 to 2 Wildlife and Nat Resouce Trust Add mroe money 10 Mill. to the fund can get 75 mill. can get 40 mill. total including matching funds. Game & Fish Geolgical Survey Hiring a new State Geo Dept. of Insurance ACA they will not have sufficiant stafff Dept. of Trans. Added 5 positions Complaints from citizens about info required 50 mil from A&L funds 50 mill from gas taxs 100mill is not sufficient. Leg. work on this issue. DOT WYoLink requires updates. Looking for less expensive way to do that D of Health Expendature with facilities in Evanston. Issues with buildings. 40% is federal funds. Medicade, 58% are fed. funded. Eliminated 8 positions for Dept. of Health. Brain Engeries. Adullt DD reduce waiting list. Rebation of bd waivers 8 mill 3 mill for vacinations increased ambulance Dept of Family Services Reserve of about 3 mill. Save 1.7 mill on computers. Dept of Workforce Services Merger has worked well. THey have been working on a computer system. Joan Evans and her staff have been working with 3 other states. 59:19 ~ 12/5/2011 10:21:27 AM ~ Nicholas: What 59:35 ~ 12/5/2011 10:21:42 AM ~ Mead We currently have the money, One state is going to take the lead, we are the smallest. It takes some manpower for a project that size. It may be brokendown 1:00:50 ~ 12/5/2011 10:22:58 AM ~ Nicholas Do you need budget authorinty 1:01:06 ~ 12/5/2011 10:23:13 AM ~ Mead We need authority to get funds to the lead state 1:01:30 ~ 12/5/2011 10:23:38 AM ~ Nicholas We will put that on our "to do" list 1:01:46 ~ 12/5/2011 10:23:53 AM ~ Mead Community Colleges We gave them 6mill last year year for a total of 21 mill. THe feds have questions and have cut funding State Lands & Invest. State Forester Moving to new location. Moving to old guard building. 94.5 40.5 by formula They have projects that they want to do maintenance but Wy Tourism Board 2.4 mill increase 1.5 to expand to additional markets UW compentiation increases approved to 91% of market I reduced by 20% I tlaked about A&L, I have talked about that alread Dept. of Correction Sex Affender Treatment We use a huge amount for health issues, 10 mill. Looking for a better way. Wy Buisness Council Add 48 mill back in UW Midical Education #167 Had serious disagreement with Casper facility. Request now to put the 31 positions on the state side. Clinics have value. Does it need Education National Bd. of Cert. is a good process but there is a cost to that, asking for an additional 1:09:44 ~ 12/5/2011 10:31:51 AM ~ Nicholas In terms of going through, I don't think there is any particlular order 10 minute bread till 10:30 1:26:30 ~ 12/5/2011 10:48:38 AM ~ Session begins again 1:26:50 ~ 12/5/2011 10:48:58 AM ~ Governor Mead: Std budget has more than doubled, state has done some wonderful things, shakey global economy, taken some things out of the standard budget as they are an ongoing activity..start looking at standard budgets and make cuts if needed, my budget has made cuts, agencies will prepare alternative budgets. If you think cuts are needed beyond what I suggested, the 2% is sustainable. Agencies made cuts and they were not sustainable and the ywant 10% back plus some. Better way to make cuts is over longer period of time with slower cuts that will be sustainable. If this group thinks there need to be further cuts, consider he 2% 1:29:24 ~ 12/5/2011 10:51:31 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Sustainabliliy...control over, willingness to hold cuts, revenues outside of our control, don't control market for oil and gas, issue with respect to cuts are always sustainable, do not give the money back. When we made cuts and gave money back later, had control over. Not sure about sustainability.. 1:30:50 ~ 12/5/2011 10:52:57 AM ~ Governor Mead: Sustainability in practical terms, not saying method for ucts, saying it is a practical matters. How do we get to number where we are providing services needed, based on revenues we have, not wasting money, spending in areas that we want to. How to face uncertainity in future with flat revenues? 1:32:11 ~ 12/5/2011 10:54:18 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Standard Operating budget all familiar with, other components appropriate to begin to develop, Standard agency operating budget, standard non agency support budgets, variety of nonagency support budgets, standard capital construction, major maintenance budget..can construct total package. Concern is not a good way to discuss obligations that are above agencies budgets: city, towns, companies, major institutions inc uw, Should we cut standard agency budgets to supportt nonagency budgets? 1:34:18 ~ 12/5/2011 10:56:26 AM ~ Govenor Mead: Case by case basis, context is important, std budget, reasonable cap con, reasonable school, talking about funding for local govts, I made a large request, I think it is appropriate. Rather than go on every 2 yrs, try to forecast not just craig but reasonable budgets ahead,. Should not decide how big govt gets just because we have a surplus. Should be based on needs of people, If we have extra billion, the temptation is to grow things a certain amount. What you are suggesting to forecast revenues and expenditures is good idea 1:36:37 ~ 12/5/2011 10:58:44 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Plan for worst, hope for best 1:36:46 ~ 12/5/2011 10:58:54 AM ~ Governor Mead: Plan for where you reasonably are, and reasonably hope to go. The legislature and my office have to say this is where we are at today . Don't want to look back and say we wish we had not spent menoy there but had made a good investment 1:38:10 ~ 12/5/2011 11:00:17 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Are there areas where your staff communicating with WAshington know there is a substantial loss of revenue: AML, fmap (fed medicaid reimbursement decreasing), some agencies predicting revenue losses in major programs today. We need to plan that they will not be here. Do you think the federal match rate is something we should plan for? Scenerio 1 we have and scenerio 2 we do not. 1:39:35 ~ 12/5/2011 11:01:42 AM ~ Governor Mead: Plan both ways, supercommittee failed to reduce deficit so now automatic cuts, may change, AML funding: I think it will be around for a few more years but when supercommittee failed any number of things could come out of washington that will surprise us. I wrote about AML funds as they were not to be a source of revenue for the federal govt. Those cuts I listed..most have happened and I anticipate there will be more. Highway funding, Medicaid, Dept of Education, could have done list of agencies with anticipated cuts ..did not fund those. Difficult to tell. 1:42:02 ~ 12/5/2011 11:04:09 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: AML is difficult issue, difficult to say cut others 1:42:19 ~ 12/5/2011 11:04:27 AM ~ Governor Mead: There is a life expectancy of maybe 4 more years, We have funded highways and University. will look at General Fund financing for those in future 1:42:55 ~ 12/5/2011 11:05:02 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: Some agencies may be able to give anticipated losses of revenues, don't knw where fmap is headed. Challenge issued to approach issue to protect the next biennium mathematically. Look at goldenrod which is a snapshot on Oct 1 but do not look at forecast out. All we have done to date is chart...revenue picture. It hits in next biennium. lost capacity to do std agency budgets, std cap con, major maintenance. Do not have AML on this chart. Do we want to kill school of enegy,? Highway funded with AmL...begin process between now and marking up budget of doing several scenerios so if you cannot build a budget with forecasted revenues..do we need to do cuts, how fast do we need to. You have said, slow down cuts, give more time to make cuts. Have not decided mathematically. Why not construct based upon revenues anticipated. Scenerio 1 with AML, Sceneio 2 without, Scenerio 3... here is a predicatable scenerio. FMAT, 6% increase in medicaid, then put that in. If we want to pay for cap con, major maintenace, non agency support budgets, if we decide that in all probablitliy we could be here in 2 years, how do we plan for it. Not sure given the fixed mechanism of our budget....500 million dollar deficient, expenditure committee says no place to cut, revenue committee says no extra revenues without income tax....methane.. If we project out we can back into where does the standard agency budget have to be to protect and preserve reasonable amount ofr cap con, major maintenance, nonagency budgets, Suppose agree it is 500 million then we know standard budget must be below that. Executive branch comes up with 5% cuts implemented next year then 10% for next bieenium. Should we go through this exercise? 1:49:36 ~ 12/5/2011 11:11:43 AM ~ Governor Mead: I think it is an appropraite exercise. We should not look at just reve projections but also expenditure projections. Time is valuable.. To do that as precisely as possible. If given one day to do it, cut 10% across the board may cut one by 20%. If you say, here is an appropraite level of spending, we will work with it. It take discipline for our office, the legislature and the agency . If we agree in principle to look at revenue and spending that is appropraite, we are being proactive. To avoid the situation where more money means bigger govt. 1:51:50 ~ 12/5/2011 11:13:57 AM ~ Chairman NIcholas: Would like staff to determine scenerio budgets. Ask A& I for assessment, Ask your office for AML. Predict 2 yrs out, build a cash flow analysis. Use a likely scenerio. We can do the same for school foundation, school cap con,. I think that leads to hwo we deal with the rainy day policy and acct. I do not know if we can solve. Maybe in budget add provision for committe or JAC to determine what is our policy and what constitutes a rainy day. I believe it should be equial to our biennium budget which is 3 million. I use the last boom, accumulated, then spent over 10 yrs, picked up money from gap 1 and gap 2, picked up money from Jackson resident. If we do have a trough, it will be due to energy prices. Prices tanked through the 90's. 3 billion with 10 year trough, pulling out 10% per year. We have experience from the 90's..had to fund education out of GF, It is constitutionally the first obligation. How would you vision that we go about the process for a mathematically historical policy, target? 1:56:11 ~ 12/5/2011 11:18:19 AM ~ Governor Mead: appropraite to set targets for spending, rainy day acct, we live in a volitile market, realized and unrealized losses. The approach on determining in a proactive way on what spending should be and revenues are. If oil prices drop, if we lose AML what are we going to do. In my office, I am willing to do that, we need time to do that to be precise. Proactive way to address the uncertain times. 1:58:06 ~ 12/5/2011 11:20:14 AM ~ Chairman Nicholas: In 90's the first thing that was cut was major maintenance for buildings . Will we do that again or will we do that again? It is easy to say this is a rainy day for my budget. Hard to accept that 3.4 or 3 billion is arainy day feature when we have lived with 2 billion budgets. Having experience that sinks you. First thing is put money into education, then cut every where else. We want to avoid that. If we have 3.2 billion and it does not meet rev streams then do we stop putting into the rainy day fund? We need a discussion of when do you save, how do you save, when do you cut? 2:00:39 ~ 12/5/2011 11:22:46 AM ~ Senator Meier: Overall growth of govt. If it grows in excess of domestic product, will have to raise taxes. If this budget was about 5% per year, long term can we sustain a budget? We would need a domestic product increase. If we take the 2% in there, the ..gets it to a managable .. National economyh will have dragging effect on state economy. I think we need to do the 2% cut. That gets it to a 3% growth rate. We have a lot of one time funding. It is not all ongoing..We could have higher than 3% if you include the one time funding. Much of what is off the balance sheet is ongoing funding. Even if it says one time funding for local govtr and for highways, it really is not one time. Really it is ongoing. Lookat it in a long term basis, do the 2% cut, budget will double in 24 years. 2:04:11 ~ 12/5/2011 11:26:18 AM ~ Governor Mead: With my budget, I hae listed some things as one time even though we know it will be ongoing. I am trying to figure out how we establish a standard budget. Gives us a chance to look at if it is an appropraite level of spending 2:04:55 ~ 12/5/2011 11:27:03 AM ~ Chariman Berger: spent time with Budget deficient committtee, their recommendation is a 8% cut. That is on nondefense. Medicaid and transporatation will be our big spenders. 75% of school districts are cutting teachers positions based on cuts in ara dollars. We need to take responsibliity that those cuts are coming. 2:06:21 ~ 12/5/2011 11:28:28 AM ~ Chairman NIchoals Lets recognize those and put those into our model When we go into the markup process THey think we should be cutting, some think we need to be adding to the budget. I think we need to have a mathamatical discussion Here are some serneros wether it is 2%, 5%, 10% and then we know what our options are when these things accur. If we have a policy, it makes decisions easier in the future and more predictable. Sen. Merier ...... As long as the Creg report is conservative, we will have money for the raining day account. All of that should be up discussion. Money for the rainy day account has always been from excess revenues. 2:12:15 ~ 12/5/2011 11:34:23 AM ~ Mead I would appreciate that oppunity of come back and discuss this further. Forcasting - once the forcast figure is out there, people believe that is really what is going to happen. 2:13:31 ~ 12/5/2011 11:35:38 AM ~ Nicholas Assignment JAC Development of policy for the Rainy Day Account Next address CIO If you are looking for authority, what kind of power would you like to have until we can create language 2:15:26 ~ 12/5/2011 11:37:34 AM ~ Mead Purchases of computer equipment, all needs to be run therough CIO office. Committee makes recommendation what kind of tech person they need. Agency's that have 2 techs and both are out, no tech support. Economy of scale would provide backup and better service 2:17:57 ~ 12/5/2011 11:40:04 AM ~ Nicholas JAC share the growing the IT department. We put money in the Engineers, and Health Dept. because A&I could not keep up. I think now we could combine some services. Our folks knew what the problem was, but nobody was available in IT to help us. Once we give them that private sector authority, how can be be assured that they will give all agency quality severvice. 2:22:03 ~ 12/5/2011 11:44:10 AM ~ Mead They will have cross training. THere will be a pool of IT people. 2:22:50 ~ 12/5/2011 11:44:58 AM ~ Nicholas Agency complained when the AG combined all the attorneys. If we consolidate, what do we need for office space? 2:24:04 ~ 12/5/2011 11:46:11 AM ~ Mead State went to the Google network. I had a good discusion with him after he went to Google headquarters. 2:24:56 ~ 12/5/2011 11:47:03 AM ~ Nicholas When I read about cloud computing. There is a huge amount of dollars going outside the state. This is one more area we send money out of state. 2:26:20 ~ 12/5/2011 11:48:27 AM ~ Mead Through Google out, we spend a tremoundous amount to software vendors. I don't like sending money out of state but it is less expensive. 2:27:35 ~ 12/5/2011 11:49:42 AM ~ Steward WE are the best run state in the country Wall Street Journal. One time funding, half to infa structure, 1/2 to savings. 2:28:34 ~ 12/5/2011 11:50:41 AM ~ Mead If you looking at total funding If your looking at cap con, schools, I'm not sure what that amount would be. Is that the right amount? That is a struggle for me and others. A mile of road is a good investment I don't think of the amount we put in infastructure in an expense but more of an investment 2:30:53 ~ 12/5/2011 11:53:01 AM ~ Edmonds What is your overall folcy for your budget 2:31:47 ~ 12/5/2011 11:53:55 AM ~ Mead I regected the Dept. of Healths...... We need to accept federal dollars. It is appropriate when we us any federal funds, we put a half an astrick stating that it is federal funds and my not always be there. When I look at federal dollars, I always say, what if they were State dollars.. 2:34:24 ~ 12/5/2011 11:56:31 AM ~ Nicholas Develope a CIO language giving the gov a level of authority 2:34:52 ~ 12/5/2011 11:57:00 AM ~ Mai Dave has the draft language 2:35:08 ~ 12/5/2011 11:57:15 AM ~ Nicholas Workforce Services 59 mill to be handlled Casper Family Residency program. You described the dispute and cost 32 positions. If Casper says we are talking 2:36:50 ~ 12/5/2011 11:58:57 AM ~ Mead By having theat group up there it was viewed like a mini-hospital. They wanted more profit. UW................ I athink is is a legitimate question. It is n not Wyoming students. I allowed this to keep going until this session. I don't know what the answer is . Is it worth is in form of Education. 2:39:50 ~ 12/5/2011 12:01:58 PM ~ Nicholas Is this 31 positions that need to be filled 2:40:15 ~ 12/5/2011 12:02:22 PM ~ Sylivia Shared positions, when the divorce the 31 positions were 2:40:55 ~ 12/5/2011 12:03:03 PM ~ Nicholas We have 2:41:11 ~ 12/5/2011 12:03:19 PM ~ Sylvia Casper Residency & >>>>>>>>> were a combined program. When the casper residency program decided to go on here own. My understanding of the commumity health office non-state dollars 2:42:35 ~ 12/5/2011 12:04:42 PM ~ Nicholas I'm curios if the States expenditures went up 2:43:03 ~ 12/5/2011 12:05:11 PM ~ Syvia We would fund patients 2:43:23 ~ 12/5/2011 12:05:30 PM ~ Mead We can ask director Ford 2:43:41 ~ 12/5/2011 12:05:48 PM ~ Nicholas We get to pay for the 31. If at any given time when they take their marbles and go home 2:44:42 ~ 12/5/2011 12:06:50 PM ~ Sylvia THe 31 positions are funded by fees being charged. 2:45:27 ~ 12/5/2011 12:07:34 PM ~ Nicholas If we are going to fund the medicals centers. I don't knwo what happened and what the medical impact is. 2:46:27 ~ 12/5/2011 12:08:34 PM ~ Mead I think both of the clinics are appreciated. 2:46:50 ~ 12/5/2011 12:08:58 PM ~ Nicholas Energy Policy CO2 project what are we funding and not funding. Pipeline for CO2 You can take this up after lunch 2:48:00 ~ 12/5/2011 12:10:07 PM ~ Mead State Energy Policy As you get into these resource plans. We want to have a map ..... We have pipeline R/W's that go across counties but don't meet up in the next county. Some the the expense will be for perssonel. Trying to find pipeline cooridors. 2:50:21 ~ 12/5/2011 12:12:28 PM ~ Nicholas Most of the Co2 is going to Montana but then when we need some it, the companies that have it, do not work with us. 2:51:36 ~ 12/5/2011 12:13:43 PM ~ Mead If we have pipeline cooridors, additional companies will come in. 2:52:17 ~ 12/5/2011 12:14:25 PM ~ Nicholas Thank you Governor We will have you back for about an hour after lunch. 3:53:00 ~ 12/5/2011 1:15:07 PM ~ Afternoon Session: Gov. Mead returns for questions 3:53:44 ~ 12/5/2011 1:15:51 PM ~ Nicolas: Talking about AML, carbon project, minerals Gov. Mead: Pipeline Project With Demburgy being the company theyare that the RMP down the road before knowing we are interested in recovery 3:56:00 ~ 12/5/2011 1:18:07 PM ~ Nickolas: Coal industry more in research. Long term interest in carbon sequestration. But if Denburgy locked the long term. 3:56:56 ~ 12/5/2011 1:19:03 PM ~ Mead: Denbury pipleline 700 Million per day. Huge capacity in pipeline. Opportunity for Denbry to participate. Corrirdors bring in opporutnity for smaller companies to participate. Timing issue for corriordors. CO2 in the hole is very expernsive. Long term greater interest in capturing CO2. Placeholder for now. So. I think it is reality of where we are. Corridors way to. Expansion of ser, but also want to think of oil and gas. Expansion will have aibility to do cat scans so rocks cam be put under pressure. It will provide better data for attacking unknown formations. It will sure up oil and gas leg as well as coal. Suumary CO 2 will continue and $ 1 Million placeholder will do it. 4:00:30 ~ 12/5/2011 1:22:37 PM ~ Nicolas: What are we actually appropirating. 4:00:45 ~ 12/5/2011 1:22:52 PM ~ \Mead: Some of it is the sequestration task force - Clean Coal Task Force 4:01:17 ~ 12/5/2011 1:23:25 PM ~ Von Flaatern: Is all money being reappripriated Jones: approxiimatley form Wcusp Program and blanace form Cleans Coal Task Force. 4:02:06 ~ 12/5/2011 1:24:14 PM ~ Nicolas: GED dollars. If you come bakc home the money is there for doing the placeholder. Mead: For some money to do projects. Not interested form holding for years on end. Washingotn questions about coal and energy policy.. Should continue to look for other projects 4:03:53 ~ 12/5/2011 1:26:00 PM ~ Nicolas: Parking the money for project and have interest in other projects. Holding account for project. Worried about projects committed to AML dollars that are not being used. Good practice? Take the cash and use AML process to do somehting shovel ready. 4:05:13 ~ 12/5/2011 1:27:20 PM ~ Mead If other projects avialable.. GE is in holding off position. He hasn't found anything that should go here. If project did come along if it was parked. Project to use Powder River coal 4:06:17 ~ 12/5/2011 1:28:24 PM ~ Von Flattern. Is money from $20 Million. 4:06:36 ~ 12/5/2011 1:28:44 PM ~ Nicolas: May need to revisit Mead: That is the case. Berger: Need to request plan for change in AML dollars 4:07:09 ~ 12/5/2011 1:29:16 PM ~ Nicolas: Eadch time do a change in process for plan change. At some point if know GE Project is not a go, but could have PBRC account. Could take out of highway dollars so know those projects will turn in a year. Is it prudent to do. 4:08:17 ~ 12/5/2011 1:30:24 PM ~ Jones: Those dollars appropiratesd associated with AML Projects for - $40 million WY Cusp and $ 5 Million clean coal. 4:10:02 ~ 12/5/2011 1:32:09 PM ~ von Flaterns: How Pavillion funded 4:10:18 ~ 12/5/2011 1:32:25 PM ~ Mead: We haven't talked about that. Pavillion been an issue for sometime. FE new data from test wells. Encana and DEQ may have a need to invetigate cross contamination on wells. 4:11:20 ~ 12/5/2011 1:33:28 PM ~ Nicolas: Identified partners who have interest in Pavillion issues. Cost should be shared by partners named - Encana, Norther Arrapahoes and EPA. If we are part of the partnership should State be involved besides labor and expertised. 4:12:32 ~ 12/5/2011 1:34:39 PM ~ Mead: State should not bear costs alones. All partners should share in costs to verify. 4:13:00 ~ 12/5/2011 1:35:08 PM ~ Nicolas: Are we kicking out dollars now? 4:13:12 ~ 12/5/2011 1:35:20 PM ~ Mead: DEQ has been working on it. EPA should give time to look at results and see if need to drill additional wells --2-3 wells. Don't know what is needed yet. If needed he feels it appropriate for share in costs through DEQ. Working groups hasn't said we need to do. 4:14:18 ~ 12/5/2011 1:36:25 PM ~ 4:14:31 ~ 12/5/2011 1:36:38 PM ~ Steward: are appropriating new dollars for research fo using $1 million. 4:14:51 ~ 12/5/2011 1:36:59 PM ~ Mead: $1 million are allocated research at some level for carbon sequestration and have already been approrpaited 4:15:25 ~ 12/5/2011 1:37:32 PM ~ Steward: Not new dollars 4:15:32 ~ 12/5/2011 1:37:40 PM ~ Nicolas: Need a spreadsheet of where we are and where we want to go with new dollars out. Hard to do. We need to see in one table. 4:16:06 ~ 12/5/2011 1:38:14 PM ~ Nicholas: Economic development in general- data centerrs, community facilities. From big picture there are no big projects that have a roll-in . AML thought of big project dollars. EOR are SER dollars. Thenn we pick up $50 million for highways. Using game change AML dollars. We don't have money set aside for game changer. 4:18:01 ~ 12/5/2011 1:40:08 PM ~ Mead: Natural gas to liquids or coal to liquids. Does state get involved. His direciton to Buisness Council is to think big. He wants the $15 million plus for game changing in technology field. Buisness Council continues to have discusssion with large tech companies. DKRW -- what is the financial imput to have -- risk and reward. It takes time to make sure we get what we want as a state with big projects.. 4:20:28 ~ 12/5/2011 1:42:35 PM ~ Nickolas: Should we give Businees Council to be careful about moneys give out. The best projects are funded or big game changer. 4:21:20 ~ 12/5/2011 1:43:27 PM ~ Mead: Give directions. Best projects we have seen in couple years- not just best projects on the list. 4:21:54 ~ 12/5/2011 1:44:02 PM ~ Mead: By taking out $ 15million and putting it into technology that it would be a notable big project. BRC still has significant amount money. 4:22:49 ~ 12/5/2011 1:44:57 PM ~ Nicolas: Staff should provide language to implement that philosophy. Next area on same list is shifting money to community facilities. Giiving money will not necessarily create jobs. 4:24:00 ~ 12/5/2011 1:46:07 PM ~ Mead: Took money out of BRC and gave them flexibility to move to community facilities if need is there. 4:24:26 ~ 12/5/2011 1:46:34 PM ~ Niickolas: When shift job creation dollars to community facilities. Not sure how to balance creating jobs and facilities. Is what want to do. 4:25:19 ~ 12/5/2011 1:47:26 PM ~ Mead: Jobs and economy are no. 1 priority. Since taiking $15 million he felt that BRC needed flexibility. 4:26:07 ~ 12/5/2011 1:48:14 PM ~ Mead: Better to have money left over than to spend on projects still on list. 4:26:27 ~ 12/5/2011 1:48:34 PM ~ Nickolas: What's being taken away. BRC business dollars a 4:26:56 ~ 12/5/2011 1:49:04 PM ~ Andres: Standards budget for facilities 4:27:10 ~ 12/5/2011 1:49:17 PM ~ Jones: With respect to removign the $15 million and returnign to $5 million. 4:27:40 ~ 12/5/2011 1:49:47 PM ~ Nickloas need to see the net gain . There is a disconnect. What was it before and now. Get it one one sheet. 4:28:13 ~ 12/5/2011 1:50:21 PM ~ Von Flatern: Gov. with data center, if we are putting $15 million on top of what haven't spent. There is a hard dollar valu e for cloud data center by keeping the dollars in the stated. 4:29:18 ~ 12/5/2011 1:51:25 PM ~ Mead: Cloud storage doesn't mean don't have data center in state 4:29:37 ~ 12/5/2011 1:51:45 PM ~ Wallis: Question asked highway funding out of AML funds. I am concerned that AML funds are always as big project, but highways out of general funds. 4:30:24 ~ 12/5/2011 1:52:32 PM ~ Mead: Put in $50 miillion this and last session. $100 million won't meet all the needs. If is not idea to pull from AML funds. Need a long term predictable way of spending for highways. Legiislature is working on revenue resources for highways. It is the right thing to do now for the allocation 4:31:49 ~ 12/5/2011 1:53:56 PM ~ Edmonds: What is the appropirate amount? 4:32:02 ~ 12/5/2011 1:54:09 PM ~ Mead: The project for transportation doesn't see us getting there. $50 miilion will help. Back to Rep. Wallis. We need a steady revenue source for roads. 4:32:51 ~ 12/5/2011 1:54:58 PM ~ Mead: answer to Edmonds question: Highway funding....appropriate to look at all funding sources, nota fan of toll roads but wiling to look at. Fuel tax, out of state pay 53% of our fuel tax. It is not politically practical. Toll roads discussed last session. Without the additional 50 million from AML not sufficient to keep up with maintenance 4:34:27 ~ 12/5/2011 1:56:35 PM ~ Nicholas: Deep ports money..was it used or an opportunity? Mead: 4:34:53 ~ 12/5/2011 1:57:00 PM ~ Mead: Not an opportunity to use that, important to be able to ...Gov of Montana and Gov of Washington, slow in meeting with RR folks, timing has not come up, continue to look at and pursue, 4:35:45 ~ 12/5/2011 1:57:53 PM ~ Nicholas: Capcon less revenues, issue becomes size of cap con and how they come back to us. Folks have an idea they are next in line for bldg. Bill comes for 32 or 35 million for construction or remodel. Should there be a mechanism to say "here is your budgetary restraint." Fair enough to give one bldg at a time. Surprised at size of performing arts at uw. Did we give them parameters. Should we be more involved in seeting parameters and how do we do that? 4:37:26 ~ 12/5/2011 1:59:33 PM ~ Mead: All benefit from guidelines. Community colleges first funding request was 133 million, extensive, 1st 6 or7 projects were riding areanas. SBC did not vote on any projects, Community colleges came back with my recommendations. projects with funding outside of state and more core academic projects. UW - absent direction will say we need a bldg and then come with a price. Not sure how to set price...engineering bldg very expensive per sq ft. If told colleges here is a capcon rate per biennium..something along those lines with UW. Probem with University is priorites change depending on Gov, college president. There are other bldgs I am intetrested in funding but did not due to concern of growth in capcon. 4:40:13 ~ 12/5/2011 2:02:20 PM ~ Nicholas: should we be thinking about a budgetary restraint, more involved in level 1 and level 2 funding. Put out million on level 1, then couple million on level 2 then find out the price of the bldg. Go back to committee oversight or subcommittee or more involvement with A&I . Example: State office bldg. Not going to pay for level 2 until we get a price for the bldg. Community Colleges have incentive to overbuild then recruit students. not sure how to do it but think we should have more involvement in the level 1 and 2. 4:42:23 ~ 12/5/2011 2:04:30 PM ~ Mead: Once you do level 1, you have spent the money and then it is on the list, there is an expectation that the bldg is approved all the way through. Chance to look at historical data with Rich Cathcart. I...if bldg a 10,000 sq ft bldg for math,science at one community college should be tracking that. Without going to level 1 study, know we have that building and costs. Level 1 studies are expensive and signal..priority list 4:43:54 ~ 12/5/2011 2:06:02 PM ~ Nicholas: Even with community colleges, we have not asked if a 10 millino bldg is warrented or is 5 million .. Do analysis in level 1 and 2. Set a range. 4:44:37 ~ 12/5/2011 2:06:45 PM ~ Berger: Global perspective, academic goals. We don't see enough to be involved in a 5 or 10 yr plan. What are our goals as state leaders for higher education.? Same for state program..What are our goalls? Who are we serving? It is an opportunity to be assessing statewide. 4:45:45 ~ 12/5/2011 2:07:53 PM ~ Mead: I think that is true. what are our educational goals? my analysis 4:46:16 ~ 12/5/2011 2:08:23 PM ~ Berger: Will get pressure from entities. ..if one has private and public money, where do we sit with that. 4:46:36 ~ 12/5/2011 2:08:44 PM ~ Mead: The colleges I have recommended do have a match..some are more than others. 4:46:59 ~ 12/5/2011 2:09:07 PM ~ Nicholas: Conservation Easement, WIldlife Trust Fund recommedations Leveraging 75 million available, to take private land and put conservation easements on them. State can be one big public area. How do we know what the polciies will be? May be tying up mineral rights or water rights..take state and federal dollars merged and have a huge pool. Someone will be decidding some big issues. Legislatively may come back and say you tied up a water source that will stop economic development. Game and fish may be making that decision. What are your thoughts, policies and who will make decisions? 4:49:00 ~ 12/5/2011 2:11:07 PM ~ Mead: First one to decide is private landowner. Face challenges from sage grouse and other endangered species, hear from industry, have money set aside for habitat improvement. By having some things done, can do more things in terms of development. Without this, all private lands would be developed..not sture if that is true, landowners reach out because they are interested in conservation. Sage grouse, not numbers we are concerned about but habitat .Disagreement on trust fund. What is the appropriate level? I believe in it. 4:51:15 ~ 12/5/2011 2:13:22 PM ~ Nicholas: Collegues will point at many good projects that we agree but expect them to say that we have limited private land avaialbe. Putting public money into it changes the equation. Interest that want everything in open space, folks that want jobs and industry improvement. WE are leveraging that by throwing money in. Many times the applicants are game and fish, they become the advocates...armed with millions of dollars. It is an issue.If you are going to propose that leveraging there needs to be constraints. Governor, the only person watching it when we are gone is you. Your employees, or appointees making decisions when we are not here. Think if we can provide constraints may be more support for that..will be concerns about.. 4:53:40 ~ 12/5/2011 2:15:47 PM ~ Mead: will give it some thought and reflection 4:53:52 ~ 12/5/2011 2:15:59 PM ~ Berger: Update on sage grouse habitat and federal funds. 4:54:03 ~ 12/5/2011 2:16:11 PM ~ Mead: The sage grouse executive order is less than perfect. Creates weird boundaries, private landowner that can not develop and state land on the other side that can develop. Group did best job possible, invited back to Washington DC. Judge Windmill in Idaho is still toying around with it. We have asked governor's from 5 or 6 states to come out. We need other states to step up and help so the sage grouse are not listed. If listed they look at where historically roamed, which is 80% of Wyoming. 4:56:10 ~ 12/5/2011 2:18:18 PM ~ Berger: INterest from ..has a lot of federal dollars coming into wyoming for sage grouse 4:56:31 ~ 12/5/2011 2:18:38 PM ~ Mead: 75 million, leverage 10 on the private side, those interested asked for significantly more 4:56:51 ~ 12/5/2011 2:18:59 PM ~ Berger: My concern is that advocates would like more funding added to this. 4:57:05 ~ 12/5/2011 2:19:12 PM ~ Mead: There is, 2 million in corpus, throw leveraging money...creates excitement and expectation beyond what I recommened. 4:57:35 ~ 12/5/2011 2:19:42 PM ~ Nicholas: GAme and Fish and WyDot provide revenue documents for the last 10 yrs to make sure as we pull in GF ....rising expenditures, Senator Schiffer is constant eye on number of employees to build a mile of roads..look at GF . Game and Fish have talked for yrs on declining revenues from licenses. From our staff, cities, towns and counties revenues sales and use taxes, look at counties doing better, more growth, Issues of medical...can't control or stop waivers. Once you are on the list, you can not come of it. Makes sense that once you have reached medical improvement or can not improve then more recent should be on it. Do you know if health has confirmed that plan can not be modified? 5:00:22 ~ 12/5/2011 2:22:29 PM ~ Mead: I do not know answer to that. The money was to not have a waiting list on ABI. ...pretty good medical evidence that the sooner they are on the better chances for recovery, don't know length of time on life. Forsland will make a presentation in terms of waivers and the costs of them. Recommended decresasing waiting lists for children and adults ddt. do not know anser for people to come off. 5:01:47 ~ 12/5/2011 2:23:54 PM ~ NIcholas: Forsland discuss drug lists, trying to reduce drug costs. 5:02:09 ~ 12/5/2011 2:24:17 PM ~ Mead: Director Forsland is looking at every penny spent and has done some reorganizations..will find saving within dept 5:02:39 ~ 12/5/2011 2:24:46 PM ~ Nicholas: UW 80/20 split, facutly and staff? 5:02:53 ~ 12/5/2011 2:25:00 PM ~ Mead. Request 1 was for 91% ..I went to 91% because that is what we did with state employees then we went to 80%. UW asks for full share while community colleges only ask for the 80% 5:03:36 ~ 12/5/2011 2:25:44 PM ~ Nicholas: Instead of 50% support we are now doing 80% 5:03:51 ~ 12/5/2011 2:25:58 PM ~ Mead it is 71/20 and some other and rounded up to 80. 5:04:07 ~ 12/5/2011 2:26:15 PM ~ Nicholas: Did you put a salary cap" 5:04:18 ~ 12/5/2011 2:26:26 PM ~ Mead: did not 5:04:22 ~ 12/5/2011 2:26:30 PM ~ NIcholas: How will we relie on.... 5:04:32 ~ 12/5/2011 2:26:39 PM ~ Mead: If that is the direction of the legislature and that is what is approved then that is what we expect them to do. 5:04:51 ~ 12/5/2011 2:26:59 PM ~ Nicholas K12 schools. Design dollars cutoff 5:05:07 ~ 12/5/2011 2:27:14 PM ~ Mead IF you go above that line, you are just inviting out of state contractors. You see on the total list on the que 5:06:41 ~ 12/5/2011 2:28:48 PM ~ Nicholas Say you 200 now and need 240, it makes a huge difference in we let them march forward on all three facilities at once or complete one at a time. 5:07:43 ~ 12/5/2011 2:29:51 PM ~ Mead I want to be catious beings there is a lawsuit coming from Natrona County. If we funding the entire amount, other schools might not get built. 5:08:57 ~ 12/5/2011 2:31:05 PM ~ Nicholas If we put 5 mill in Kelly Welsh to fix it up temp. and then tear it down later on. It makes a huge difference in our que, if you put money into it. Let's take that away before we get to mark up. 5:10:30 ~ 12/5/2011 2:32:37 PM ~ Mead We are trying to make this as fair as possible. 5:11:01 ~ 12/5/2011 2:33:09 PM ~ Nicholas I think he trying to do a good job. When we did the Torrington prision, we discovered that we could build superstructure for the 4th pod cheaper than we could build just 3 pods. If you know that your is 1,500 is now, but 2,000 is what you will build for. 5:13:40 ~ 12/5/2011 2:35:48 PM ~ Mead Ean is aware of that. School Dist 5:14:36 ~ 12/5/2011 2:36:43 PM ~ Mead I think it is appropriate to have tight paramaters. The more lienient it is, the harder it is to moniter it. 5:15:26 ~ 12/5/2011 2:37:34 PM ~ Nicholas The best example is the prison. We learned from the Rawlins prision. WE can use that same kind of logic for the building of high schools. Any other question 5:17:29 ~ 12/5/2011 2:39:36 PM ~ Berger Broadband, Telehealth 5:17:42 ~ 12/5/2011 2:39:49 PM ~ Mead Contract with Century Link increased it by 245% from what it was. The revercef C will be completed soon Tele-health, we are not where I would like to be but is coming along. I think we are on the tele-health. 5:19:44 ~ 12/5/2011 2:41:51 PM ~ Nicholas We are going over to Terry 5:37:52 ~ 12/5/2011 2:59:59 PM ~ 5:37:58 ~ 12/5/2011 3:00:06 PM ~ Agency 063 Governors' Residence First Lady will beging 5:39:57 ~ 12/5/2011 3:02:04 PM ~ First Lady. Carol Mead with Sue Akey and Sue Andrews. The vision for the residence is to open it up for as many different groups within and outside the state. Want to present Wyoming in the best light in a setting that is more related. To the extent that can do, they are enabling to the State. Improvements to restrooms including handicapped facilities are appreciated. The money to purchase new linens and china is greatly absolutely appreciated. Show case through the Residenct archtitecture and art of the State. The stantadard budget includes the china replacement and have no exception request. Staffing is 91% of market. Per Governor's request, the support services reduced and transferred to OCIO, a reduction in budget of 2%. Hosting groups is increasing. 9000 series transfers to 2000 series covers operations. Reductions are from the 900 series. at 2, 5 and 8 percent. Could manage without difficulty a 2% cut. Unknown what impacts of larger cuts would be. Her suggestion would be to reduce the number of events and preserve the quality. Open to questions. 5:47:32 ~ 12/5/2011 3:09:40 PM ~ Berger: What were able to do with paurchase for china and linens. 5:47:52 ~ 12/5/2011 3:09:59 PM ~ First Lady: Able to seat 56 people, Purchased china, linen and wine glasses. 5:48:41 ~ 12/5/2011 3:10:49 PM ~ Berger: Just the number increased. 5:48:55 ~ 12/5/2011 3:11:03 PM ~ First Lady: Increased to 56. She has detail on purchases. 5:49:46 ~ 12/5/2011 3:11:53 PM ~ Berger: Acitvity on landscaping. 5:49:57 ~ 12/5/2011 3:12:04 PM ~ First Lady: Changes made so front door is evident. Created an island and added a sign to entrance. Gardening club helped plant flower beds. 5:50:56 ~ 12/5/2011 3:13:03 PM ~ Pedersen: As try to strectch budgets, what done to save money, spray paint items. 5:51:35 ~ 12/5/2011 3:13:43 PM ~ First Lady: Renovated the basement to improve infrastructure and improved decorations and did spray paint. They purchased inexpensively. 5:52:51 ~ 12/5/2011 3:14:58 PM ~ Harshman: Talk last session of a new governor's residence. 5:53:35 ~ 12/5/2011 3:15:43 PM ~ First Lady: Not at her household. 5:53:46 ~ 12/5/2011 3:15:53 PM ~ Harshman: Something to take up later. 5:53:59 ~ 12/5/2011 3:16:06 PM ~ Hastert: New residence taken out of budget last year. Looking a putting a committee together. 5:54:30 ~ 12/5/2011 3:16:37 PM ~ Nicholars: All was taken it out. 5:54:39 ~ 12/5/2011 3:16:47 PM ~ Hastert: Residence is aniquated and needs to move to a new location. 5:55:00 ~ 12/5/2011 3:17:07 PM ~ Nicholas: If want to do it set up a contingency fund. If a site comes up that was eligible and then put on radar screen. Could creat a commjttee. 5:56:13 ~ 12/5/2011 3:18:20 PM ~ Nicholas: On the 900 series are those event dollars. 5:56:25 ~ 12/5/2011 3:18:33 PM ~ First Lady: 9000 series if having event and needs extra servers, some landscaping and extra food and stationery. 5:57:13 ~ 12/5/2011 3:19:20 PM ~ Nicholas: As First Lady, initiatives are identified. How they get them accomplished and funded. As you settle in and want to do are you finding way to accomplish and have resources. 5:58:01 ~ 12/5/2011 3:20:08 PM ~ First Lady: What she is foccusing on is literacy -- issues that have an effect children. Her feeling is to turn around to education. Literarcy is the primary way. There are number of disparate groups throughout Wyoming. Her position is to shine a spotlight what others are doing in Wyoming and help bring to one cohensive efforts. So far she has not needed funds to do this. 5:59:48 ~ 12/5/2011 3:21:55 PM ~ Nicholas: See those efforts. Bring it together with the Dept. of Education and ways that put her to work and are using her as a resource. Any questions? Thank you. 6:00:38 ~ 12/5/2011 3:22:46 PM ~ Agency 001 Office of the Governor. 6:01:14 ~ 12/5/2011 3:23:22 PM ~ Gray: Introduces Boswell, Andrews, Cameron.. The Governor highlighted the budget. . 6:02:30 ~ 12/5/2011 3:24:38 PM ~ Nicholas: Starting with page 5 and page 9 and exception request. 6:03:02 ~ 12/5/2011 3:25:09 PM ~ Gray: Focus on exception request. 6:03:19 ~ 12/5/2011 3:25:26 PM ~ Nicholas: Each one of the exceptions should be reviewed. Notes reduction and move to A& I. Data Centers for $15M added. Then Deep Waters Reports dropped. On page 21 unit 106 a standard budget request with reduction for CIO. Page 24, standard item re appointees. Is it coorect fire districts on page. 27. 6:05:23 ~ 12/5/2011 3:27:31 PM ~ Mier: Any used for local fire districts last years? 6:05:40 ~ 12/5/2011 3:27:47 PM ~ Gray: L:aramie and Goshen counties requested and received. Converse county was not rural and did not qualify. 6:06:30 ~ 12/5/2011 3:28:37 PM ~ Mier: Where wer are going to get some problems for rural districts. He needs to know whats going on. 6:07:04 ~ 12/5/2011 3:29:12 PM ~ Gray: Happy to do it. Review funds for Goshen and Laramie still in the process. 6:07:39 ~ 12/5/2011 3:29:46 PM ~ Nicholas: If demand let them know as well as Laramie. 6:07:54 ~ 12/5/2011 3:30:01 PM ~ Berger: What's the reason for no demand? 6:08:05 ~ 12/5/2011 3:30:12 PM ~ Gray: Converse inquired but not rural. Requests for packs and supplies. 6:08:46 ~ 12/5/2011 3:30:54 PM ~ Mier: Why Converse county not rural? 6:09:08 ~ 12/5/2011 3:31:16 PM ~ Gray: Their structure is different. 6:09:21 ~ 12/5/2011 3:31:28 PM ~ Gray: We are not under contract with tribes. They want to formalize the relationship. Don't spend all of the money. There is a different perspective of how this should work. Full employeess are a s contract. It is limbo. 6:10:41 ~ 12/5/2011 3:32:49 PM ~ Nicholas: Neither have appointed a representative. 6:11:03 ~ 12/5/2011 3:33:10 PM ~ Gray: They have no yet an agreement on how triabl liaision relationship should proceed. There are no designated office facilities. 6:11:37 ~ 12/5/2011 3:33:45 PM ~ Nicholas: If the money is put out might as well look to getting participation and use. 6:12:01 ~ 12/5/2011 3:34:08 PM ~ Nicholas: Commission of Uniform Laws. Two persos named. 6:12:30 ~ 12/5/2011 3:34:37 PM ~ Nicholas: Number of representatives 6:12:41 ~ 12/5/2011 3:34:49 PM ~ Gray: Only two... Could they go bakc to page 28. Request for $20K and deep water ports and additional $250K funds for water policy. Peterson: 6:14:28 ~ 12/5/2011 3:36:35 PM ~ Gray: Governor is interested that water and energy intregally integrated and development of policy. 6:15:18 ~ 12/5/2011 3:37:25 PM ~ Peterson: Could be used for water planning? 6:15:36 ~ 12/5/2011 3:37:43 PM ~ Gray: Yes. It is the idea policy. Planning goes on Water Engineers Office. 6:16:06 ~ 12/5/2011 3:38:14 PM ~ 6:16:17 ~ 12/5/2011 3:38:24 PM ~ Nicholas: Emergency response. 6:16:31 ~ 12/5/2011 3:38:39 PM ~ Gray: Division of Homeland Security $750K rolled over from 2009 appropriations. It does not show as roll over. The disaster contingency fund should remain. On page 55 of the budget is the information. 6:18:15 ~ 12/5/2011 3:40:22 PM ~ Nicholas: What does it tell us? 6:18:25 ~ 12/5/2011 3:40:32 PM ~ Gray: The appropriation is contigency budget. Flooding this year was reimbursed by Feds. But expnses would be picked up from this budget. 6:19:13 ~ 12/5/2011 3:41:21 PM ~ Nicholas: If you roll over the $750K and add so that $1.65M or something else? 6:19:55 ~ 12/5/2011 3:42:03 PM ~ Gray: One sits under Homeland Security and one under Governmor's Administration. 6:20:30 ~ 12/5/2011 3:42:37 PM ~ Nicholas: If profiled correctly $750K new and $750 new dollars? 6:20:54 ~ 12/5/2011 3:43:02 PM ~ Gray: They are in different units. 6:21:07 ~ 12/5/2011 3:43:15 PM ~ Nicholas: Will dollars revert or not revert? 6:21:20 ~ 12/5/2011 3:43:28 PM ~ Andrews: There is a standard budget for $315K in Governors budget. Approximately $1M in Governors office . 6:22:08 ~ 12/5/2011 3:44:15 PM ~ Nicholas: How did it happen.? 6:23:12 ~ 12/5/2011 3:45:20 PM ~ Grey: Explanation of 1 million..unit 1106 , the page dropped out 6:23:55 ~ 12/5/2011 3:46:02 PM ~ Nicholas: Need a spreadsheet when that happens 6:24:04 ~ 12/5/2011 3:46:11 PM ~ Bill mai: cCovered in 2010 session laws allowed to caryy over. Section 304 is further carryover. 6:24:29 ~ 12/5/2011 3:46:36 PM ~ Nicholas: Zero based budget ..carryover. Bret handed out his sheet which 6:24:54 ~ 12/5/2011 3:47:02 PM ~ Berger: In index, needed page . Insert 1106 between 1105 and 1007 6:25:16 ~ 12/5/2011 3:47:23 PM ~ Meier: Unit 601 at end of budget process will have...? Unit 1106 ....? 6:25:44 ~ 12/5/2011 3:47:52 PM ~ Grey: Correct 6:25:51 ~ 12/5/2011 3:47:58 PM ~ Meier: What money did we spend on the snow melt event? Is there another account? 6:26:07 ~ 12/5/2011 3:48:14 PM ~ Grey: The total cost of flood preparation and sandbagging was just under 6 million and was paid in great part by fema funds. We had to match 1 million dollars. Most of that was county so we paid of our share either 75 or 85 and they matched the remainder of that. Total cost just over 1 million, funded out of diversion funds out of a&I so we would not have to ask for an appropraition so we could leave these intact. Initially we spent the money and then put it back as reimbursed by FEMA and counties, 6:27:45 ~ 12/5/2011 3:49:53 PM ~ Meier: Bl funds ..GF would have reverted but left for contingency 6:28:16 ~ 12/5/2011 3:50:23 PM ~ Grey: simiplistic ..but yes 6:28:25 ~ 12/5/2011 3:50:32 PM ~ fNicholas: ..carryover language may be required for both, clean coal technology, clean coal task force, homeland security, pg 44 section 2 is ocio standard reduction amount; request for a spending authority request for priority six 6:29:18 ~ 12/5/2011 3:51:26 PM ~ Grey: Grants given to municipalities and tribes. It is a federal grant program. Grant is a 50 50 state, federal and local grant. 6:29:43 ~ 12/5/2011 3:51:51 PM ~ Nicholas: Additional spending authority to spend federal funds No exception requests. ...mitigation, hazardous material until 1104..no exception budget request, pg 54 waste isolation plant..no exception here, unit 1106 footnote has been talked about. pg 57 search and request, no exception request Pg 60 map modernization program is standard budget request state support fund for homeland security..standard budget.. unit 113 pg 64 predisaster mitigation, request for 200,000 that is actually an exception request. and it is out of federal funds. no question office for domestic preparedness..pg 66 narrative, spending authority request on pg 67. Governor has 6:32:15 ~ 12/5/2011 3:54:22 PM ~ Grey: reduction in authority 6:32:22 ~ 12/5/2011 3:54:29 PM ~ Nicholas: yes, question, none Nirfa account standard budget of 500, exception of 1 million, gov request for 1 milion. 6:33:01 ~ 12/5/2011 3:55:09 PM ~ Grey: asking for 550, 000 not to revert, asking for 1 million more. 6:33:18 ~ 12/5/2011 3:55:25 PM ~ Nicholas: if there is a base budghet of 500 and there is 550 then exception request should be for 500,00..base budget got zeroed out on standard budget so asking for 1 million and carryforward for 550. 6:34:00 ~ 12/5/2011 3:56:08 PM ~ Grey: correct 6:34:06 ~ 12/5/2011 3:56:13 PM ~ Nicholas: My question is if it is easier to footnote each one or to reappropraite? 6:34:23 ~ 12/5/2011 3:56:31 PM ~ Bill Mai: From our standpoint, easier to make a new appropraition and let this revert 6:34:43 ~ 12/5/2011 3:56:50 PM ~ Nicholas: asking for sam amount but footnoting each one. Have Bret work with legislature and present new sheets, put in new appropriations, footnoting each account seperately, we have a lot of footnoting to carry over funds, 6:35:35 ~ 12/5/2011 3:57:43 PM ~ Grey: No problem, no preference, followed what had happened historically 6:35:49 ~ 12/5/2011 3:57:56 PM ~ Nicholas: If you spend reversionary dollars before end, then whatever you spend reduces your new appropriation..maybe just one footnote, lets do that so we are not encouraging dollars to be spendt 6:36:26 ~ 12/5/2011 3:58:33 PM ~ Bill Mai: can do it all in a section 300 6:36:34 ~ 12/5/2011 3:58:42 PM ~ Nicholas: Get advantage of carryover but don't get it during carryover, will follow govs rec for carryover of 550 and a new million 6:37:00 ~ 12/5/2011 3:59:08 PM ~ Rep. Steward: RMP ..all money is in 900 series, are you havingt success inbuilding expertise at county level instead of hiring consultants? 6:37:43 ~ 12/5/2011 3:59:50 PM ~ Grey: I think we are having success . . Counties formed working groups. while I would tell you this is heavily contracted, the counties are developing expertise in their working groups and Jeremy is cognizant of the purpose of this money 6:38:52 ~ 12/5/2011 4:01:00 PM ~ Steward: In state contractor preference. Do you have a list of contractors being hired, whether they are in state or out of state. 6:39:26 ~ 12/5/2011 4:01:33 PM ~ Grey: I can do that. I can tell you they are not all in state. It is probably a limited list 6:39:46 ~ 12/5/2011 4:01:53 PM ~ Nicholas: pg 64 will see this repeatedly, spending request, missing the govs rec, normally would be bolded. I put in gove rec approved. Pg 67..spending authority request,,put gove rec missing, approved, Pg 72 , exception request, missing gov rec which approves that. I assume that the Governor approved it. WE do not make that assumption. As we go through markup remember the bolded gov recs are not there. 6:41:30 ~ 12/5/2011 4:03:37 PM ~ Sen Von Flatern: want to be sure of how much money is actually being requested. 550 carryover but 250 is obligated so how much exactly? 6:42:03 ~ 12/5/2011 4:04:11 PM ~ Grey: 1.55 million There was carryover from last biennium of 550 and the 1 million additional total 6:42:31 ~ 12/5/2011 4:04:39 PM ~ Nicholas: Pg 903 series, there was a 4......what they get a million less 550 so if they use it it is not there. Is that right? sounds right? 6:43:32 ~ 12/5/2011 4:05:40 PM ~ meier: using 250 already so whay isnit is 1.3 million being available. 6:44:27 ~ 12/5/2011 4:06:34 PM ~ Peterson We are trying to build some consistancy from board to board. There is a lot of cross training. Their expertise is getting out. I think it was a good effort, at least in the Big Horn Basin 6:45:48 ~ 12/5/2011 4:07:55 PM ~ Nicholas Page 75 If you look at the exceptional funding request. One is for carry over authority. The agency request of for a million, The gov can request a carry over from prior years. That ends agency 001 5 minute stretch 7:08:02 ~ 12/5/2011 4:30:09 PM ~ Max The second key point is that most of our office is run by statute. Hence it makes it hard to any reduction of budget. 84,000 stock brokers 350 lobbyiests depository for all legislative rules, regulation of bucking horse We are the line between .We can't possible cut it. 7:10:41 ~ 12/5/2011 4:32:49 PM ~ Nicholas 7:10:51 ~ 12/5/2011 4:32:59 PM ~ Maxfield We have no width but a lot of depth. No new programs 7:11:52 ~ 12/5/2011 4:33:59 PM ~ Kelly High level overview of our program. Admin day to day programs, 3rd buckying horse and rider. This is 4th Constitutional amendments pay for Help America vote program Admin Program 4-7 statutory authority Page 8 6 primary sections and duties Page 11 7:14:35 ~ 12/5/2011 4:36:42 PM ~ Meier More of a centrilized tech center. I don't know how it would intergrate into a statewide agency 7:15:33 ~ 12/5/2011 4:37:40 PM ~ Arp We are diversed it would by problemmatic Where it has been helpful where they have so much depth. Benificial - hardware. Programers - need to stay with us. 7:17:19 ~ 12/5/2011 4:39:27 PM ~ Kelly Page 13 Admin program Page 14 Agency stats Page 17 agency revenue Page 20 Agency grand total 7:18:12 ~ 12/5/2011 4:40:20 PM ~ Arp Middle of page 20 that some funds have been taken from 400 series. That is not a problem to us Exception budget request.. Help America vote act. We would like that position to become a state employee. Gov's rec. He agreed. Those are funds we already have. 7:20:44 ~ 12/5/2011 4:42:51 PM ~ Nicholas It is still time limited to federal funds 7:21:15 ~ 12/5/2011 4:43:23 PM ~ Arp The requirements will remain Page 22 Maintanence request 4 years ago we didn't feel that we didn't any more. We were ask to come in this time for $305,000 for maintanence/upgrades. Software maintenance. Sometimes we just too fare behind in software 7:24:21 ~ 12/5/2011 4:46:28 PM ~ Nicholas Are these one time dollars or full time 7:24:49 ~ 12/5/2011 4:46:56 PM ~ Arp It is the ongoing and updating of software. 7:25:14 ~ 12/5/2011 4:47:21 PM ~ Nicholas Do we just keep throwing money at the same vendors are ask for bids. 7:26:08 ~ 12/5/2011 4:48:15 PM ~ Arp We are pleased with the development company There are a couple of programs inbetwwn here, 7:27:07 ~ 12/5/2011 4:49:14 PM ~ Nicholas 600 division 7:27:21 ~ 12/5/2011 4:49:28 PM ~ Hastert Maintanence contract Is this typical for agency's? Is this 7:28:15 ~ 12/5/2011 4:50:22 PM ~ Nicholas Can you give us how much we are paying for maintenance contracts? We don't have software companies in Wyoming. Back to the bucking horse. Page 33 Exception request & approval Pat, what are other states doing 7:30:25 ~ 12/5/2011 4:52:32 PM ~ Arp Yes there are changes, radio, internet. THere has been consideration of less printed material What has changed is the costs. Print cost go up and up. We have been giving and= estimate of what it would cost to laws paid. We don't how many laws are going to past. You nee to put enoughj in to cover the constitutional ammendments. 7:34:32 ~ 12/5/2011 4:56:39 PM ~ Nicholas I hope that wasn't my idea. It should be attached to the bills. 7:35:29 ~ 12/5/2011 4:57:36 PM ~ Arp The problem of putting costs on a constitutioanal amendment. 7:36:04 ~ 12/5/2011 4:58:11 PM ~ Nicholas You need to footnote You need to either add more money to the bill. There is $97,000 from last session. 7:37:18 ~ 12/5/2011 4:59:26 PM ~ Arp no 7:37:28 ~ 12/5/2011 4:59:36 PM ~ Nicholas you can not allow any more. We have the message but you are going to have to lets us know. On the budget process 7:38:53 ~ 12/5/2011 5:01:01 PM ~ Nicholas You are asking for 200,000 the gov knocked it down to 150,000, You already have 97,000 committed. As cross over day hits, it you have more than $53,000 you had better come see us. 7:40:30 ~ 12/5/2011 5:02:38 PM ~ Berger We need to be consistant 7:40:48 ~ 12/5/2011 5:02:55 PM ~ Maxfield I respectvully ask that you just put more in the budget, it reverts anyway. 7:41:47 ~ 12/5/2011 5:03:55 PM ~ Nicholas If we give everyone a buffer account. Lets see how this come about. We will deal with it at markup. 7:42:43 ~ 12/5/2011 5:04:51 PM ~ Berger We did in the past come in after 7:43:04 ~ 12/5/2011 5:05:11 PM ~ Maxfield THis is the first time it has happened that is was not a footnote. 7:43:32 ~ 12/5/2011 5:05:39 PM ~ Nicholas Stripped by the House Appropriations Lets figure it out Bills that are constituition need moneys added to them. 7:44:53 ~ 12/5/2011 5:07:00 PM ~ Mai It is not appropriate to have money.......... Dean tracks all of these bills. so that all money is attached to the bills. 7:46:08 ~ 12/5/2011 5:08:16 PM ~ Nicholas We will deal with it at markup. Everyone needs to know there is cause and effect. That closes you out. 7:47:10 ~ 12/5/2011 5:09:18 PM ~ Nicholas I think 7:47:25 ~ 12/5/2011 5:09:32 PM ~ Maxfield An across the board cut is going to hurt us, program cuts doesnt' work either. Courtesy reminders were eliminated There is nothing left to cut. If we were making a serious cut, it would be our agency attorney. If not done by our attorney, it would have to be done by the AG's office. 7:50:07 ~ 12/5/2011 5:12:15 PM ~ Arp Position # 27 would be the attorneys position. That person is in place. 7:51:03 ~ 12/5/2011 5:13:11 PM ~ Nicholas 2,5, &8% would require potion elemination. 7:51:42 ~ 12/5/2011 5:13:50 PM ~ Arp It will show higher bucause some employees were brought up to the 91% level 7:52:23 ~ 12/5/2011 5:14:31 PM ~ Nicholas Your standard budget will be higher. THe AG's office will say that they are short of attorneys. 7:53:36 ~ 12/5/2011 5:15:43 PM ~ Maxfield The bottom line percentage cuts don't work, program cuts don't work 7:54:10 ~ 12/5/2011 5:16:18 PM ~ Nicholas By the time we get to markup. We may be .......... That imployee moves into the AG's office 7:55:24 ~ 12/5/2011 5:17:32 PM ~ Maxfield We hare tyring to pick dry meat off a chicken bone. WE have been very forthright in what we have to offer. 7:56:18 ~ 12/5/2011 5:18:25 PM ~ Nicholas if we don't sddress it, we could be looking at a 20% cut. 7:56:49 ~ 12/5/2011 5:18:56 PM ~ 7:57:07 ~ 12/5/2011 5:19:15 PM ~ Agency 003 State Auditor 7:57:28 ~ 12/5/2011 5:19:35 PM ~ Cloud:: Staff of 25. Chief Conptroller for the State, 10K employees, retirees, payroll division, CAFR division... Submit package and would like to point out 65% of budget is for contracts and locked in for 5 years. Willing to give up AWAC position. Alternative proposal 2$ is $350K out of $17 M. 8:01:33 ~ 12/5/2011 5:23:41 PM ~ Nicholas: Reduction in contracts? 8:01:49 ~ 12/5/2011 5:23:57 PM ~ Could" Started at $6.6 M and signed from $5.7 so reduced contract. Structure to work with OCIO. Expertise within the state and don't have to use consultants. 8:03:09 ~ 12/5/2011 5:25:16 PM ~ Nichlas: Other contracts? 8:03:24 ~ 12/5/2011 5:25:31 PM ~ Cloud: postage, forms and contracting for them 1099... is other large contract. 8:04:00 ~ 12/5/2011 5:26:07 PM ~ Nicholas: Brucellosis a Governor request, page 18 parked their for fishing licenses. 8:04:48 ~ 12/5/2011 5:26:55 PM ~ Colvin: $1.7 budget appropriations and exception re: Game and Fish licenses (reduced costs or free). 8:05:32 ~ 12/5/2011 5:27:39 PM ~ Nocholas: Break down as to what the programs are. Primary use of variety: 8:05:49 ~ 12/5/2011 5:27:57 PM ~ Colvin: Can provide spreadsheet. It is for all Fish and Game licenses programs. 8:06:25 ~ 12/5/2011 5:28:32 PM ~ Nocholas: Library Trust Fund for match , A governora. Which couhnties have been matched out. Can provide a list. 8:07:11 ~ 12/5/2011 5:29:19 PM ~ Covlin: Funds could be moved from county to county 8:07:29 ~ 12/5/2011 5:29:36 PM ~ Nicholas: Bill or budget amendment? Show us alist if every county had tapped out its dollars and a list of counties receiving funds. 8:08:24 ~ 12/5/2011 5:30:32 PM ~ Covin: Happy to do it. 8:08:52 ~ 12/5/2011 5:31:00 PM ~ Nicholas: Last appropriation used but not on revert basis. 8:09:22 ~ 12/5/2011 5:31:30 PM ~ Colvin: Can do that 8:09:38 ~ 12/5/2011 5:31:45 PM ~ Nicholas: look at list of vesting out. 8:09:53 ~ 12/5/2011 5:32:00 PM ~ Nicholas: State employee retiremnt compensation 8:10:23 ~ 12/5/2011 5:32:30 PM ~ Cloud: funds for retiremnet compensation 8:10:42 ~ 12/5/2011 5:32:50 PM ~ Nicholas: pre and post July Page 28, market adjustment, where see for merit increases, did it go to market adjsutment 8:11:57 ~ 12/5/2011 5:34:05 PM ~ Boswell: 8:12:04 ~ 12/5/2011 5:34:11 PM ~ Nicholas: insurance adjusment zeroed out 8:12:29 ~ 12/5/2011 5:34:36 PM ~ Agency 004 Treaurers Office 8:12:53 ~ 12/5/2011 5:35:01 PM ~