File name: JAC Budget Hearings FY 13-14_20120116_083309.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 29 ~ 1/16/2012 9:23:30 AM ~ Monday January 16, 2012 Department of Correctons Agency 80 2:53 ~ 1/16/2012 9:25:53 AM ~ Nicholas: Director Lampert, Introduce staff 3:06 ~ 1/16/2012 9:26:07 AM ~ Lampert: Introductions of staff, Overview of department and handout. Agency divided into 4 parts, 3 divisions, Handout #145. Funding in division 1000 for grey area. Light green central services, funding in division 1000; Yellow Feld Services division, falls under 2000 of budget, Blue area is prison, Ligher shade of blue funded under 1000, darker shade of blue is adult, divison 3000, honor camp in Newcastle, budget division 400 is Wyo correctional facility in Lusk, Budget division 5000, Honor farm in Riverton, Division 6000, Rawlins penitentiary, Division 9000 is Torrington. 8:18 ~ 1/16/2012 9:31:19 AM ~ Lampert History, All inmates housed in Wyoming except for some in Gillete, Casper. Contracts for jail beds, Torrington has allowed consolidation of highest need inmates. 9:11 ~ 1/16/2012 9:32:12 AM ~ Lampert: pg 2 of Handout: Overview of current inmate population, Current Count in the Female Facility 229 in Lusk.. Fastest growing population, expect to have enough beds, women's center is staffed for only 210 inmates, 10:42 ~ 1/16/2012 9:33:43 AM ~ Nicholas: Female Facility. Is it Lusk with 277 and staffed for 210? 10:58 ~ 1/16/2012 9:33:59 AM ~ Lampert: Currently 232, staffed for 210, can expect us to ask for more positions in next bienium to bring us up to baseline staffing 11:29 ~ 1/16/2012 9:34:30 AM ~ Nicholas: Men's facility, Current count lower than normal capacity. Do you have overstaff? 11:50 ~ 1/16/2012 9:34:51 AM ~ Lampert: Staff numbers have not gone down, going to be shifting. 12:09 ~ 1/16/2012 9:35:09 AM ~ Lampert: Men's capacity 2,122; Normal capacity set at 95% of bed space. Last week 1701 with more at 100 bed space. On surface beds available, If we lost ACC contracts and 100 bed contract we will be at capacity with very little room for growth. CAn tell total population numbers 3 to 5 years out, anaylsis has proven accurate, fewer for minimum, getting more inmates with harsher sentences, not asking for more beds, housing some inmates in Newcastle. Now screening and housing in Newcastle. Avoiding asking for new beds this biennium. 15:33 ~ 1/16/2012 9:38:34 AM ~ Meier: Costs: Differentiation between Rawlins and Newcastle 15:48 ~ 1/16/2012 9:38:49 AM ~ Lampert: There is a difference. THis is a weighted average, Larger cost more, smaller less, 16:19 ~ 1/16/2012 9:39:20 AM ~ Meier: Any cost less than 68.38 at lower bed? 16:30 ~ 1/16/2012 9:39:31 AM ~ Lampert: No, 16:38 ~ 1/16/2012 9:39:39 AM ~ Lampert: Offense category, 26% for violent, 1/4 for sex offenders. Needy population for care. AGe 50 or above. Inmate is 10 yrs older physiologically than chronologically. Elder inmates defined as age 50 and above, increase because aging in place. Medical expense drivers, Psych Diagnosis, Chronic Med Care, Sex Offenders (limited funding to treat this so exception request with repurposing of funds). 60% need substance abuse treatment,. beds at facilities, best practice residential treatment lasts 9 to 12 months, have just enough beds so have to prioritze inmates. If we lost 100 bed facility, would lose beds an ability to meet treatment needs, Much of population has overlapping diagnosis. Population factors that are driving costs. 20:33 ~ 1/16/2012 9:43:33 AM ~ Esquibel: Female population is fastest growing, substance abuse and other? 20:48 ~ 1/16/2012 9:43:49 AM ~ Lampert: Property crimes and susbstance abuse 20:59 ~ 1/16/2012 9:44:00 AM ~ Wallis: On percentages, offense categories, not mutually exclusive? Some are counted in more of those. 21:28 ~ 1/16/2012 9:44:29 AM ~ Lampert: Possible, tried to split, so 51% of male population 21:52 ~ 1/16/2012 9:44:53 AM ~ Wallis: So drug percentage would not include violent offenders 22:05 ~ 1/16/2012 9:45:06 AM ~ Lampert: That is correct. 22:12 ~ 1/16/2012 9:45:13 AM ~ Nicholas: 100 bed facility in Casper, On face do not need but making case for capacity. Recollection they did significant capital expenditures so some obligation to help with return of investment. What are they doing for us? Why are they uniques? What other services provided? What is reasonable time to make sure of return on investment? 23:29 ~ 1/16/2012 9:46:30 AM ~ Lamper: Senate File 16 time was 10 years for contemplated length of time and have reached it. Rely on facility for bed capacity and drug abuse treatment. High risk substance needs would be without treatment prior to release so would fall to local treatment instead of prison system. End of contemplated initial contrat period, ensure we are getting best deal we can. 100 bed costs 68.38 which does not cost as much as operating prison and providing treatment in prison. Without those beds would not be able to provide the treatment. 25:53 ~ 1/16/2012 9:48:54 AM ~ Nicholas: Torrington facility has wing not finished? 26:05 ~ 1/16/2012 9:49:06 AM ~ Lampert: Correct. Have capacity to add 144 beds at around 9 million to complete. 26:26 ~ 1/16/2012 9:49:27 AM ~ Nicholas: Operating costs on top of that? 26:34 ~ 1/16/2012 9:49:34 AM ~ Lampert: Correct 26:40 ~ 1/16/2012 9:49:41 AM ~ Nicholas: Moral obligation to use 100 bed is gone, making case good service is provided and would like to continue using them, do not oppose RFP jprocess? 27:15 ~ 1/16/2012 9:50:16 AM ~ Lampert: Obligated to go through RFP, do not know if other vendors could provide beds. 27:32 ~ 1/16/2012 9:50:33 AM ~ Nicholas: Facility differences i? 27:43 ~ 1/16/2012 9:50:44 AM ~ Lampert: 100 bed included in total facility, secure residentail treatment, houses only inmates, ACC side go out into community during day, 100 bed do not, get meals, housed 24/7, similar to Torrington facility operations, very specific and limited to defined space. 28:57 ~ 1/16/2012 9:51:57 AM ~ Nicholas: Took those resources spedning at 100 bed and brought in-house, could you provide better programing? Fixed costs of picking up another 100, costs for daily rate, could you provide additional programing. Could you provide better programming than you can presently? 29:58 ~ 1/16/2012 9:52:59 AM ~ Lampert: We have the capacity looking at minimum facilities, take up to 100 beds and locate at honor farm in Riverton, which would fill that facility, provide resisdential treatment, would cost 100 beds but would have treatment capacity. 30:53 ~ 1/16/2012 9:53:54 AM ~ Nicholas: Better services than now or same? 31:03 ~ 1/16/2012 9:54:04 AM ~ Lampert: Success rates, no difference between those out of the 100 beds and those out of our own ITU, equal to providing in house. 31:29 ~ 1/16/2012 9:54:30 AM ~ Nicholas: Summarize why we are putting them up in Casper: No more expensive, doing as good of a job? 31:49 ~ 1/16/2012 9:54:50 AM ~ Lampert: AT a cost per day, it is cheaper at the 100 bed. The same money applied to existing beds would probably be less expensive as security in place, would just pay for staffing. 32:30 ~ 1/16/2012 9:55:31 AM ~ Nicholas: Cost associated with 100 bed, bring prisoners back in, would save money but lose capacity? 32:51 ~ 1/16/2012 9:55:52 AM ~ Lampert: Correct 32:57 ~ 1/16/2012 9:55:58 AM ~ Pedersen: Visited one of those, specific programing uniquely different with alumni involvement and over time reducting recidivism, expand? 33:33 ~ 1/16/2012 9:56:34 AM ~ Lampert: That facility is a best practice as in our in house ITU. Distiinction of active alumni program, successful recovery people come back in, maintain contact with people have completed the program, pro-social interaction, That is unique component to the 100 bed and one we support 34:36 ~ 1/16/2012 9:57:37 AM ~ Nicholas: If we abandon support for the 100 bed, what would they use it for, designed for? 34:53 ~ 1/16/2012 9:57:54 AM ~ Lampert: House federal inmates, seek other contract money to operate that facility. 35:19 ~ 1/16/2012 9:58:20 AM ~ Nicholas: Take those dollars, bring population back in, is that cost savings significatn? 35:35 ~ 1/16/2012 9:58:36 AM ~ Lampert: Could provide that 100 bed treatment capacity at the Honor Farm for 2.3 million. 36:02 ~ 1/16/2012 9:59:03 AM ~ Nicholas: payong fo 100 bed 36:09 ~ 1/16/2012 9:59:09 AM ~ Lampert: 36:19 ~ 1/16/2012 9:59:20 AM ~ Nicholas: spending 2 million to keep those resources alive, if rfp came back with higher price, would need to revisit the model, what I hear, biennial numbers? 36:49 ~ 1/16/2012 9:59:50 AM ~ Lampert: Biennial numbers 36:59 ~ 1/16/2012 10:00:00 AM ~ Nicholas: Costs us about 1 million per year 37:14 ~ 1/16/2012 10:00:15 AM ~ Lindly, 2.3 is treatment cost over biennium, currently paying 5.4 million for the bieenium for the 100 bed which gives us the capacity of 224 male treatment beds, 144 in Torrington and 100 in Casper 38:00 ~ 1/16/2012 10:01:01 AM ~ Nicholas: 2.2 to 2.7 million per year to support the Casper operation. The benefit is to keep that capacity and inventory of beds 38:43 ~ 1/16/2012 10:01:44 AM ~ Lampert: Could reduce treatment cost by half but reduce inmate beds by 100 beds. Paying 2.3 million for additional beds which is a good cost. 39:14 ~ 1/16/2012 10:02:15 AM ~ Nicholas: All costs is wash? 39:21 ~ 1/16/2012 10:02:22 AM ~ Lampert: Correct 39:26 ~ 1/16/2012 10:02:26 AM ~ Peterson: Medical costs. 128.77 per day. How does that compare to other states? Checks and balances in place? 40:48 ~ 1/16/2012 10:03:49 AM ~ Lampert We are in the same ballpark as far as medical services are concerned. The money has kept up our of courts 41:38 ~ 1/16/2012 10:04:39 AM ~ Meier Kind of like trailer houses, modulars 42:00 ~ 1/16/2012 10:05:01 AM ~ Lampert: We did at one time but all those clients have been moved into the prefab secure area 42:44 ~ 1/16/2012 10:05:45 AM ~ Meier: If we visited today, would it be similar to other facilities? 43:13 ~ 1/16/2012 10:06:14 AM ~ Lampert: Yes, it would be 43:21 ~ 1/16/2012 10:06:22 AM ~ Steward : The numbers at the bottom of attachment A $68/day but the real cost 44:02 ~ 1/16/2012 10:07:03 AM ~ Lampert: Size of the contract divided by the population. The hundred bed is the easiest 44:55 ~ 1/16/2012 10:07:56 AM ~ Nicholas Do you try to keep 45:07 ~ 1/16/2012 10:08:08 AM ~ Lampert Page 3 Attachment B Probation is controled by the court Porale is after incoseraction. The overall trend is growth for both porale and probarion. 46:51 ~ 1/16/2012 10:09:52 AM ~ Nicholas Attachment A Do they pay that or do we. 47:30 ~ 1/16/2012 10:10:31 AM ~ Lindly We take care of the medical inside, nurse care 47:58 ~ 1/16/2012 10:10:59 AM ~ Lampert They get the cream of the crop. That is blended across all 5 institutions. 48:42 ~ 1/16/2012 10:11:43 AM ~ Nicholas That's a $1 more but that has medical included in it. 49:13 ~ 1/16/2012 10:12:14 AM ~ Lampert THe least costly is the womens center 49:29 ~ 1/16/2012 10:12:30 AM ~ Nicholas If you would do an anlysis of the 100 bed institution. If there is a differential we just want to know it. 50:27 ~ 1/16/2012 10:13:28 AM ~ Lampert If would return those 100 to the farm, the per prisinor corst would go down. 51:30 ~ 1/16/2012 10:14:30 AM ~ Nicholas That way we could answer our 51:51 ~ 1/16/2012 10:14:52 AM ~ Meier If we have to hire another administration, we need to know what that cost is. 52:44 ~ 1/16/2012 10:15:45 AM ~ Nicholas 52:58 ~ 1/16/2012 10:15:59 AM ~ Lampert If we brought those 100 back to the farm, we would not have any increase in overhead 53:39 ~ 1/16/2012 10:16:40 AM ~ Nicholas I may be more expense to eliiminate it and then bring it back later 54:21 ~ 1/16/2012 10:17:22 AM ~ Lampert Attachment C As you can see, the future looks like the population we continue to increase. 55:28 ~ 1/16/2012 10:18:29 AM ~ Lampert Hopefully we won't need a new facility 55:50 ~ 1/16/2012 10:18:51 AM ~ Nicholas 15-16 is about a 9 million bill 56:08 ~ 1/16/2012 10:19:09 AM ~ Lampert We have a cap con request for a phase 1, phase 2 request 56:45 ~ 1/16/2012 10:19:46 AM ~ Meier Is there any specific atatutes that has increased the Wyoming population? 57:20 ~ 1/16/2012 10:20:21 AM ~ Lampert There has been a trend nationwide to be harder on certain crimes. 58:02 ~ 1/16/2012 10:21:02 AM ~ Nicholas Do you have a demand from the counties for space? 58:25 ~ 1/16/2012 10:21:26 AM ~ Lampert WE have worked with counties to tell them that we don't need their extra capacity We are one of the few agancies that want to grow. Attachment D Inmates are staying longer Staffing has been a problem Attachment E Fy2004 FY12 Just under 8,600 offenders Salary money that was going out of state, is now staying here Attachment F We are trending downward towards employement leaving. Pay concerns are still there. 1:04:35 ~ 1/16/2012 10:27:36 AM ~ Nicholas There was a comprission between senior staff and those coming in the door. 1:05:30 ~ 1/16/2012 10:28:31 AM ~ Lamapert PRoffesion status means working for 5 years tenure and continious training. 1:06:06 ~ 1/16/2012 10:29:07 AM ~ Nicholas The savings was .... The assumption was that the yourger guys were not going to stay long. 1:07:02 ~ 1/16/2012 10:30:03 AM ~ Lampert Our data indicates that the attriction rate was effected by that. The attrition is going back up again. Were seeing staff 5-8 years staying around. We don't have that abaility to tell recurits what the pay bumps are.n That was a big selling point when we went to other states. 1:09:43 ~ 1/16/2012 10:32:44 AM ~ Nicholas Do you lose the ability to move people up the pay grade. 1:10:20 ~ 1/16/2012 10:33:21 AM ~ Lampert Those with more than 3 years don't have an advantage. 1:10:52 ~ 1/16/2012 10:33:53 AM ~ Nicholas Give a before and after the ________ report. Have you taken this to A & I What is the response from the Gov & A&I 1:12:16 ~ 1/16/2012 10:35:17 AM ~ Lampert We are just another agency. 1:12:36 ~ 1/16/2012 10:35:37 AM ~ Nicholas WE will go to A&I We had several objectives but did not mean to make things tougher for you to recreate and retain. 1:13:56 ~ 1/16/2012 10:36:56 AM ~ Nicholas If you think things have gotten worse, let us know. 1:14:43 ~ 1/16/2012 10:37:44 AM ~ Lampert We did that that discussion while the HAYs group We lose a lot at teh end of 1 years and again at 3 years 1:15:58 ~ 1/16/2012 10:38:59 AM ~ Steward How many employees are below the 91% level. 1:16:36 ~ 1/16/2012 10:39:37 AM ~ Lampert Attachment F Inmates are tyring harder too. WE target those dynamic risk factors and work on those. . More inmates are interested Attachment G Said more recidaism Second graph suceesss rate to 76.5 % In an effert to 1:20:05 ~ 1/16/2012 10:43:06 AM ~ Wallis On my attachment G, I'm referring to FY08 numbers 1:20:43 ~ 1/16/2012 10:43:44 AM ~ Wallis Your looking at 2008 and extrapolating from that. 1:21:42 ~ 1/16/2012 10:44:43 AM ~ Lampert Yes, that is correct. Probation has been given to those in liu of ging to prision. We do incarcerate some people that other states don't I have heard say that we should jail those we are araid of, not mad at, A 9% growth rate is a concern We know that unchecked growth is We predict that we can only Attachment H We have 488 more employees than 3% of Wyomings spending 1:27:01 ~ 1/16/2012 10:50:02 AM ~ Nicholas Ok, lets take a break 1:29:05 ~ 1/16/2012 11:13:48 AM ~ Nicholas: Handout chart, last chart shows 3% of total spending. Creates artifical low percentage, would have bigger budget, Before this week, meet with your budget staff, Brett and redo the chart, may have to show them the budget numbers. We think you have to add budget reserve dollars and GF, could back out some Cap con, not sure. Do not pass exhibit around until vetted. 1:30:43 ~ 1/16/2012 11:15:26 AM ~ Lampert: Straight off NASBO website, Wyoming does differently. 1:31:20 ~ 1/16/2012 11:16:03 AM ~ Nicholas: do not htink the 3% is accurate, meet with our staff, Brett and Mr. Bowell. National statistics. 1:31:58 ~ 1/16/2012 11:16:41 AM ~ Lampert: Budget. Pg 15 Summary and prioritizaton pg 17, Division 1000, pg 19, approval of standard budget on page 19, page 22, for page 26, .forj page 29, 1:33:57 ~ 1/16/2012 11:18:40 AM ~ 1:34:07 ~ 1/16/2012 11:18:49 AM ~ Berger: We have two housed in federal facilites 1:34:20 ~ 1/16/2012 11:19:03 AM ~ Lindly Non that we have contracted out, we just trade out 1:34:53 ~ 1/16/2012 11:19:36 AM ~ Nicholas Page 27 you picked up an employee 1:35:11 ~ 1/16/2012 11:19:53 AM ~ Lampert In the last biennium we added an investigator for the Torrington Unit Pages 33 & 34 Priority #8 Military gave us the option of taking over the amory at ....... We are going to us the domatory at the Martineze Center This put in the budget to highlight that we are taking over. 1:37:28 ~ 1/16/2012 11:22:11 AM ~ Nicholas The military gives up the facility and offers 1:37:52 ~ 1/16/2012 11:22:35 AM ~ Lampert The facility sits on Dept. of Corrections land 1:38:22 ~ 1/16/2012 11:23:05 AM ~ Lampert It is inside Rawlins 1:38:47 ~ 1/16/2012 11:23:30 AM ~ Lampert Page 37 Page 38 Priority #4 400 replacement cumputors and monitors. Under the new...... We understand that OCIO has Page 38 bottom Annual hardware service contract Page 39 & 40 $124,500 I would have to find out. 1:41:51 ~ 1/16/2012 11:26:33 AM ~ Lindly: We have had this for a number of years. 1:42:12 ~ 1/16/2012 11:26:55 AM ~ Nicholas Is this a new liscense, on goinng........ 1:42:36 ~ 1/16/2012 11:27:19 AM ~ Lampert We have expanded this software use dramatically. 1:43:06 ~ 1/16/2012 11:27:49 AM ~ Nicholas This looks more like a liscense fee rather than a purchase. Once the extensive new training was completed, it would offset getting a somewhat cheaper price. When you go to CIO, what information do you give them. 1:44:50 ~ 1/16/2012 11:29:32 AM ~ Lindly Jessy Wiggins knows about that information 1:45:16 ~ 1/16/2012 11:29:58 AM ~ Von Flatern The governor said that you can assorb it in his budget. 1:45:54 ~ 1/16/2012 11:30:37 AM ~ Lampert The 245,500 was the best price we could negotiate Page 45 Unit 1033 Total healthcare costs have been discussed Unit 1033 used to take care all medical and dental. It costs more per patient at Torrington. 1:47:46 ~ 1/16/2012 11:32:29 AM ~ Nicholas Moved out out our requests. I wonder if we could consolidate back Bill to you remember any more about it 1:49:09 ~ 1/16/2012 11:33:52 AM ~ Steward I was looking through you 900 account Is that for a year. 1:49:38 ~ 1/16/2012 11:34:21 AM ~ Lampert That is for 18 months The total contract amount is 42 million. 1:50:14 ~ 1/16/2012 11:34:57 AM ~ Steward That is for the biennium. 1:50:27 ~ 1/16/2012 11:35:10 AM ~ Esquibel Where do we see the pharmaciticals? Do you have anything that separates that out. 1:51:17 ~ 1/16/2012 11:36:00 AM ~ Nicholas We needed to see a consolidated but also want to see it broken down by groupl Is there really a reason why Medical expenses, and then break it down by unit number under that. 1:52:38 ~ 1/16/2012 11:37:21 AM ~ Lampert We could do that presently without have to have additional unit numbers 1:53:09 ~ 1/16/2012 11:37:52 AM ~ Nicholas My thoughts are is someone forgets to ask for it will be obvious when the budget is prepared. 1:54:15 ~ 1/16/2012 11:38:58 AM ~ Mai I don't see a problem with structuring it anyway you want. It's going to thicken that budget up some but will be clear where the monies are spent. 1:55:42 ~ 1/16/2012 11:40:24 AM ~ Nicholas 1:55:57 ~ 1/16/2012 11:40:40 AM ~ Mai Both ways will work. Different institutions will have different costs. 1:56:42 ~ 1/16/2012 11:41:25 AM ~ Nicholas We argagrate under one series 1:56:58 ~ 1/16/2012 11:41:40 AM ~ Mai When you say serries I assume you mean Division. 1:57:20 ~ 1/16/2012 11:42:03 AM ~ Nicholas 1:57:28 ~ 1/16/2012 11:42:11 AM ~ Berger I think that is more clear 1:57:50 ~ 1/16/2012 11:42:32 AM ~ Meier IF we were going to find the total costs of a unit, we would have to go back and add back in those medical costs? 1:59:03 ~ 1/16/2012 11:43:45 AM ~ Nicholas The penitentiary 1:59:24 ~ 1/16/2012 11:44:07 AM ~ Mai We will need a report to finish this biennium? 2:00:05 ~ 1/16/2012 11:44:48 AM ~ Mai Ultimately all four of those units are available such as 3333 2:00:51 ~ 1/16/2012 11:45:34 AM ~ Steward I remember a report from last year. Charging some kind of a surcharge/>>>> 2:01:39 ~ 1/16/2012 11:46:22 AM ~ Lampert We did have that study to see if we were providing more services than required. We found out that we were providing more than required. We have developed some costs. We have worked with our vendors that provide medical services We are working hard to get compative bid on services. The results have been mixed We have worked out ways to stay within our constitutional obligations. Those are things we doing to keep costs down. Ady additional questions about the medical care? Page 47 We concurr with Gov on Page 49 Page 51 Sex offeneder treatment/management We were not...That concern is hightened because of the lack of treatment of sex offenders with in the new communities that they will reintroduced too. We will trades trade funds. Unit 3053 would increase outpatient costs. 4053 outpatient use of the Womens Center 6053 is at penitencary We would reduce the tobaco junding The is a shorter term 2:13:27 ~ 1/16/2012 11:58:10 AM ~ Nicholas: Adding fund to division, doing fund switches on page 147 2:13:46 ~ 1/16/2012 11:58:29 AM ~ Lampert: Correct, backfill 2:13:59 ~ 1/16/2012 11:58:41 AM ~ Nicholas: Repurposing, need a total increase of tobacco fund of how much? 2:14:16 ~ 1/16/2012 11:58:59 AM ~ Lampert: No sir, tobacco funds are in the budget, do not need an increase, repurpose 2:14:34 ~ 1/16/2012 11:59:17 AM ~ Nicholas; Spend reversions, 2:14:45 ~ 1/16/2012 11:59:28 AM ~ Lampert Nicholas 2:14:50 ~ 1/16/2012 11:59:33 AM ~ Nicholas: New program? reversions, 2:15:08 ~ 1/16/2012 11:59:51 AM ~ Lampert: correct 2:15:13 ~ 1/16/2012 11:59:56 AM ~ Nicholas; not using dollars? 2:15:20 ~ 1/16/2012 12:00:03 PM ~ Lampert: Not using tobacco dollars which revert, not available in future as they revert, smarter to fund with tobacco dollars and free up GF for the state. 2:15:49 ~ 1/16/2012 12:00:32 PM ~ Von Flatern: First colyumn: Adding 900,000 in tobacco funds 2:16:07 ~ 1/16/2012 12:00:50 PM ~ Lampert: Correct: 2:16:13 ~ 1/16/2012 12:00:56 PM ~ Von Flatern: 4052 removing tobacco funds? 2:16:24 ~ 1/16/2012 12:01:07 PM ~ Lampert: repurposing. Contract for residential treatment facility 2:16:42 ~ 1/16/2012 12:01:25 PM ~ Nicholas: All tobacco funds? 2:17:09 ~ 1/16/2012 12:01:52 PM ~ Lampert: In left column, they are all tobacco funds . 2:17:25 ~ 1/16/2012 12:02:08 PM ~ Nicholas: Reorganizing tobacco in left column, freeing up GF in right column .Handout. 2:18:04 ~ 1/16/2012 12:02:47 PM ~ Von Flatern: 2:18:12 ~ 1/16/2012 12:02:55 PM ~ Lampert: Dollars in right column become available for sex offender treatment 2:18:36 ~ 1/16/2012 12:03:18 PM ~ Von Flatern: Tobacco funds are supporting other increase. 2.5 million in bottom of right column is adding those three numbers, which are GF dollars. How are columns related? 2:19:19 ~ 1/16/2012 12:04:02 PM ~ Lampert: Movement of dollars for drug treatment, result in net increase of spending in tobacco funds and GF previously used for those pruposes then become available to cover the left column. 2:20:01 ~ 1/16/2012 12:04:44 PM ~ Von Flatern: 5053 is tobaco money going into fund and some GF money supplemented? 2:20:21 ~ 1/16/2012 12:05:03 PM ~ Lampert: GF dollars being pulled and supplemented by tobacco are in 9052, 9053 and 9054. 2:20:42 ~ 1/16/2012 12:05:24 PM ~ Nicholas: Left column, 4052 and 9052. Have an appropriation of funds in tobacco funds in those funds, reduce those funds, beef up with tobacco funds, then move GF funds of 2.5 million, Tobacco funds are a wash but moving them around frees up the GF. 2:21:58 ~ 1/16/2012 12:06:41 PM ~ Von Flatern: 9052, taking 1.8 and 1.5 out of that program? 2:22:15 ~ 1/16/2012 12:06:58 PM ~ Nicholas: Taking GF out of different accounts then crediting. 2:22:34 ~ 1/16/2012 12:07:17 PM ~ Lampert: Negative numbers in left column are two contracts so effeciencies of not spending tobacco dollars so shifting those dollars. Tobacco dollars not spending, most from thos two contracts, other dollars in budget we can maximize. spend most or all of tobacco dollars, save GF which will be repurposed. 2:23:52 ~ 1/16/2012 12:08:35 PM ~ Nicholas: WCMI substance abuse is 1.5, taking out 1.8 and giving back 1.5? 2:24:33 ~ 1/16/2012 12:09:16 PM ~ Meier Taking out , essentially trading residentail treatment or out patient services, one fund switch in 9054 and partial in 9053 internatl to tobacco funds, 9052, 9053, 9054, 2:25:42 ~ 1/16/2012 12:10:25 PM ~ Nicholas: Philosophically, two outpatient contracts not fully utilized go back to tobacco account, reappropriate later, ... 2:26:26 ~ 1/16/2012 12:11:09 PM ~ Jones: Clarification. Everything in left column is from Chapter 17, in right hand side will be reflected in the exception. 2:26:55 ~ 1/16/2012 12:11:38 PM ~ Nicholas: Can't take chapter 17 and move. 2:27:04 ~ 1/16/2012 12:11:47 PM ~ Jones: used net zero funds to move tobacco funds but not to rquest GF, they are specific exc. requ. 2:27:25 ~ 1/16/2012 12:12:08 PM ~ Nicholas: Left hand column done? 2:27:33 ~ 1/16/2012 12:12:16 PM ~ Jones: yes, in standard budget 2:27:39 ~ 1/16/2012 12:12:21 PM ~ Nicholas: Chapter 11 process. Go to 1052, put another 1.5 million in unit for a program. Using chapter 17 to sweep it out and put in other programs without going through bduget process. 2:28:11 ~ 1/16/2012 12:12:54 PM ~ Jones: All are for drug treatment. 2:28:27 ~ 1/16/2012 12:13:10 PM ~ Nicholas: ask to move funds, gov says yes, then we get report. Shifting among programs, repopulating programs. 2:28:54 ~ 1/16/2012 12:13:37 PM ~ Jones: All programs provide the same services, overfunding of some 2:29:14 ~ 1/16/2012 12:13:57 PM ~ Lampert: Same as for medical, requested substance abuse funding to reflect actual costs. 2:29:39 ~ 1/16/2012 12:14:22 PM ~ Nicholas: Example: Get another 100,000 at Torrington, not my expectation will mvoe to another program. Lunch Break, return at 1:00, talk to staff, having difficulty with you making movements in Chapter 17 process without a B11 and without coming to us. 2:30:52 ~ 1/16/2012 12:15:35 PM ~ 2:30:59 ~ 1/16/2012 12:15:41 PM ~