File name: JAC Budget Hearings FY 13-14_20120113_135013.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 2 ~ 1/13/2012 1:50:21 PM ~ Hansen: CTE Demonstration.2 37 ~ 1/13/2012 1:50:57 PM ~ Matt: Shortfall in this account. It might be prudent for administration of this program rather than having them come back more money. 1:26 ~ 1/13/2012 1:51:46 PM ~ Hansen: We get with LSO. Student Asssessment In depth analysis. The hard thing is the contracts are for 4 years therefore they spread over 3 bieniums. 3:25 ~ 1/13/2012 1:53:45 PM ~ Greg Hanson: The read line represents the bieniums and then as you look through it you can track. 6 mil went to current PAWs. $4.7 on PAWS so far. $9.0 on current Pierceson. The remainder will pay for the Pierceson. Questions? 5:56 ~ 1/13/2012 1:56:16 PM ~ Wallis: Looking at timeline the I guess walk me through the map so I can undrstand where the 18 m is and where the rest is. 6:48 ~ 1/13/2012 1:57:08 PM ~ Hanson: of $18,0 , $9.0 on Pierson 8.9 mi in 4601 and 1.2 in 6373. 7:51 ~ 1/13/2012 1:58:10 PM ~ Nicholas: Dilemia is quite common. Overlaps take b\place. The dolllars encumbered is a contracting term. The appropriate when you enter into contract such as Pearson there is portion that alllows you out of the contract. You know your payments, should be into budget. When you move forward to 2013 budget this is the amount budgeted to spend. Will not encumber money for 2013, we will appropriate it then. You can then put figure in exception either up or down. You can then say what your payments are or put in swag. Exactly what are your payments and this beomes your exception. 12:42 ~ 1/13/2012 2:03:01 PM ~ Matt: Yes. New vendor, new contract. 12:58 ~ 1/13/2012 2:03:17 PM ~ Nicholas: budget in your best guess. Should be able to peg. If you run short ask for an exception. 13:33 ~ 1/13/2012 2:03:53 PM ~ Hansen: the $18 m was a swag 13:57 ~ 1/13/2012 2:04:17 PM ~ Nicholas: Need an update when you know. Saving reduction on existing budget that is different discussion. 14:46 ~ 1/13/2012 2:05:06 PM ~ Steward: Build on last point. $18 m and also Federal part $17.3 , is not profiled on budget. Spending state funds first and holding Federal funds second. Question>? 15:51 ~ 1/13/2012 2:06:11 PM ~ Hanson: Timeline was to show what had happened in the past. do Anaylsis to show which is spent first. 16:40 ~ 1/13/2012 2:07:00 PM ~ Nicholas: You should exhaust Federal funds first. 16:58 ~ 1/13/2012 2:07:18 PM ~ Hansen: Yes that is what we do. 17:13 ~ 1/13/2012 2:07:33 PM ~ Stewart: Like to see this in a timeline. 17:27 ~ 1/13/2012 2:07:47 PM ~ Hansen: WDE Priority Programs 3 exception requests. Holbrook: In 2008 started a program on Wind River Indian Res. to promote education and see where the needs lie. The results of this were that focus on different goals to improve enrolled. 2010 first annual conference October 2011 had over 200 people in attendence with a favorable outcome. State and Federal funds. With the reduction in Federal funds we are requesting $130,00 for the point person on reservation. 21:26 ~ 1/13/2012 2:11:45 PM ~ Hansen: Next exception Need $200,000 22:23 ~ 1/13/2012 2:12:43 PM ~ Hansen: 3rd exception request $220,00 exception 22:59 ~ 1/13/2012 2:13:18 PM ~ Hansen: WEN Infrastructure Computer and technology upgrade. 23:50 ~ 1/13/2012 2:14:10 PM ~ Hansen: WEN Distance Education no exceptions. 24:14 ~ 1/13/2012 2:14:34 PM ~ Hansen: WISE implementation small change in 400 series 3 large exception request 24:59 ~ 1/13/2012 2:15:18 PM ~ Matt: Gov. denied all 3. Going to try to bring $3 m into the budget. This ties into education accountability. 26:29 ~ 1/13/2012 2:16:49 PM ~ Edmonds: Gov denied $3 mil is he waiting for legislation. 27:00 ~ 1/13/2012 2:17:20 PM ~ Matt: Yes. 27:06 ~ 1/13/2012 2:17:26 PM ~ Bret: Gov is very supportive of these issues and didn't know specific solutions. Wants to see these items addressed and that is why he allocated money. He did not take position. 28:09 ~ 1/13/2012 2:18:29 PM ~ Edmonds: Have we had where the money will go? 28:28 ~ 1/13/2012 2:18:48 PM ~ Matt: Next week. 28:35 ~ 1/13/2012 2:18:54 PM ~ Dilly: Budget request is in 3 parts. All 3 of those requests have approvable. Hardware to increase and update system. Educator Life system is an intrigal part and get people away from paper. 3rd. Wise data system designed 6 years ago and needs upgrade. We have envisioned ways to do this and negotiate upgrade.s 31:54 ~ 1/13/2012 2:22:14 PM ~ Hansen: Concludes 32:13 ~ 1/13/2012 2:22:33 PM ~ Dilly: Number one priority is still the same. If we need to accomplish the upgrade we will need funding source. 33:40 ~ 1/13/2012 2:24:00 PM ~ Berger: we have invested quite a bit and we have been advised to go forward so as not to loose what had been invested. 34:26 ~ 1/13/2012 2:24:46 PM ~ Dilly: Exactly. 35:01 ~ 1/13/2012 2:25:20 PM ~ Andrea Pett: we received 18,000 incoming phone calls. These does not include outgoing or return calls. Educators cannot view their application on line. This would be retified by this upgrade. 36:53 ~ 1/13/2012 2:27:13 PM ~ Theresa: Calls coming in are questions for the licensing board. Diffieculty setting up accounts. The upgrade will solve a lot of these questions. 37:58 ~ 1/13/2012 2:28:18 PM ~ Nicholas: What is the back bone of WISE system. 38:32 ~ 1/13/2012 2:28:51 PM ~ Runs on WEN 38:47 ~ 1/13/2012 2:29:07 PM ~ Nicholas: What are using your budge for at present. 39:05 ~ 1/13/2012 2:29:25 PM ~ Pearson handles zoned intergration. Maintains sofware to schools. Some districts choose not to use this route. ESP Solution handle receipt of the data. Choice Solutions handle student id numbers and allocate those. Big project right now it is difficult for schools to see their data. These contracts will continue into the next bienium. Current plan is to continue. 42:25 ~ 1/13/2012 2:32:44 PM ~ Nicholas: Implementation data into database to connect to provide teachers to their data. 43:12 ~ 1/13/2012 2:33:32 PM ~ Dilly: That is not the only reason but it would be benefical. 43:55 ~ 1/13/2012 2:34:15 PM ~ Nicholas: How did you develop budget? 44:14 ~ 1/13/2012 2:34:34 PM ~ Dilly: Sat down with budget anaylsist. 44:33 ~ 1/13/2012 2:34:53 PM ~ 44:47 ~ 1/13/2012 2:35:07 PM ~ Theresa: HUB Enterprises quoted $2 m. Costs have come down. Work with OCIO office. Business anaylist which would help develop system. 46:17 ~ 1/13/2012 2:36:37 PM ~ Nicholas: Put budget together and present to Select Members. Go either in bill or to JAC. 47:09 ~ 1/13/2012 2:37:29 PM ~ Bret: should be information available for JAC to view. 47:36 ~ 1/13/2012 2:37:56 PM ~ Matt: Referred back to JAC 47:54 ~ 1/13/2012 2:38:14 PM ~ Matt: We have been running numbers and get back to you. 48:32 ~ 1/13/2012 2:38:51 PM ~ Nicholas: Lets do that maybe on Monday to put in front of committee and make sure scope of work or co-chair can go up to meet with committee. 50:28 ~ 1/13/2012 2:40:48 PM ~ Dilly: Prudent to ask this questions to fill in any information requests. 50:55 ~ 1/13/2012 2:41:15 PM ~ Nicholas: How do we know that 3 different requests, combine?? 51:18 ~ 1/13/2012 2:41:38 PM ~ Dilly: Financial advise we received that they should be combined. 51:43 ~ 1/13/2012 2:42:03 PM ~ Nicholas: How tuned iinto is OCIO into this? 52:09 ~ 1/13/2012 2:42:29 PM ~ Dilly: Attuned to what the plan is. There is some educational processes to how it is used and district players. Received on the 3 priorities. Heaviest on the WISE system. We sought #3. Went to existing vendor. Conversation was pretty organic. Have any consultants looked at your work. 54:55 ~ 1/13/2012 2:45:15 PM ~ Nicholas: Consultants in town on Monday? 55:09 ~ 1/13/2012 2:45:29 PM ~ Matt: I think that only #3 was looked at by consultants. 55:38 ~ 1/13/2012 2:45:57 PM ~ Nicholas: Can we have consultatant look at?? 55:55 ~ 1/13/2012 2:46:15 PM ~ Matt: We come follow up and talk OCIO. 56:13 ~ 1/13/2012 2:46:33 PM ~ Nicholas: put out to consultants to get their input and feedback. Part of my concern, we are building what we are looking to builds. 56:59 ~ 1/13/2012 2:47:19 PM ~ Theresa: Communications with Dr. ?? along the way. 57:38 ~ 1/13/2012 2:47:58 PM ~ Nicholas: These are important issues and figure out how to get the product needed. 58:08 ~ 1/13/2012 2:48:28 PM ~ Theresa: Why we went to RFI. That information allowed us to pick and choose what was needed. 59:08 ~ 1/13/2012 2:49:27 PM ~ Nicholas: I think we can do this on mark-up. 59:25 ~ 1/13/2012 2:49:44 PM ~ Edmonds: What are we waiting for. Why is $3 m parked by Gov. I would like to know timeline and what is going on. 1:00:19 ~ 1/13/2012 2:50:39 PM ~ Nicholas: I don't have the answers. 1:00:52 ~ 1/13/2012 2:51:12 PM ~ Hill: EA90 doesn't speak to this. 1:01:09 ~ 1/13/2012 2:51:29 PM ~ Matt: There is couple of bills last session that requires state to monitor and teacher accountabily. This ties into Hathaway Scholarship. Many factors. 1:02:30 ~ 1/13/2012 2:52:50 PM ~ Edmonds: Enough time? 1:03:24 ~ 1/13/2012 2:53:44 PM ~ Hansen: We can comply 1:03:57 ~ 1/13/2012 2:54:17 PM ~ Hill: We will comply. 1:04:05 ~ 1/13/2012 2:54:25 PM ~ Hansen Since 2002 we have been recieving funds from ....... In 2004 to use any funds From 2004 to 2001 we have used to fund WIN A&I had a concern that the balance was getting pretty big. The gov. supt. decided the best use of this money was to put it in the schoolf fund and we could use for school foundation in the future. They are expenditures that we have made in the past and are getting a refund. 1:08:15 ~ 1/13/2012 2:58:35 PM ~ Berger 1:08:21 ~ 1/13/2012 2:58:41 PM ~ Harshman The eight grade explore test 1:08:49 ~ 1/13/2012 2:59:09 PM ~ Ward I have enough money to pay for that study. If you take a look at the bill the way it is crafted right now. I will be up close to a million dollars 1:10:06 ~ 1/13/2012 3:00:26 PM ~ Harshman Overall cost savings 1:10:25 ~ 1/13/2012 3:00:45 PM ~ Hill The 11 grade test is included 1:10:53 ~ 1/13/2012 3:01:12 PM ~ Harshman Any progress on 1:11:07 ~ 1/13/2012 3:01:26 PM ~ Ward We are giving that test in the ..... We decided to let them go all through the eigth grade 1:12:32 ~ 1/13/2012 3:02:51 PM ~ Berger Further questions 1:12:43 ~ 1/13/2012 3:03:03 PM ~ Esquibel Trying to get more suside provention in schools. 1:13:13 ~ 1/13/2012 3:03:33 PM ~ Hill We have a bill that addressess that issue 1:13:42 ~ 1/13/2012 3:04:02 PM ~ Hansen I thought the committee might be interested to see how their legislation looks like. To see when and where .... We are only borrowing $150 mill from the general fund This is considerable better than the 300 mill from previous years. 1:16:16 ~ 1/13/2012 3:06:36 PM ~ Nicholas With the recapture it looks 1:16:40 ~ 1/13/2012 3:06:59 PM ~ Hansen We barrowed 155 mil in Nov. The cash flow We don't see where we can pay you back till June. It says, recapture laon 1:18:33 ~ 1/13/2012 3:08:52 PM ~ Nicholas My recolection is that we wouldn't have to be so much barrowi so much The compromise reduced out interest payments by about half. 1:20:38 ~ 1/13/2012 3:36:36 PM ~ Resume with School Facilities Commission: 1:20:43 ~ 1/13/2012 3:36:40 PM ~ Mai: Easy report. Minor revisions. Revised gas down.Based on current storage levels, demands, no winter, 60 degrees in Cheyenne in winter, storage build locally and naturally. Lack of industrial production, Production has gone through the roof, shell play. CREG forecast aligned with national experts. 2017 or 2018 recovery is a long way out. Revised Coal lease bonuses: Received 39.5 million in fiscal 12 and 79 million in FY 13-14, 15-16. 1:25:19 ~ 1/13/2012 3:41:16 PM ~ Berger: Did you mean million, billion? 1:25:31 ~ 1/13/2012 3:41:28 PM ~ Harshman: Question 1:25:44 ~ 1/13/2012 3:41:41 PM ~ Mai: Top of page 2, Warning about where prices currently sit. 2.65 in January, last time about 10 years ago, potentially presents a problem, We will watch it, if fundamental change, CREG can reconvene before session. 1:27:05 ~ 1/13/2012 3:43:02 PM ~ Nicholas: To get 3.25 gas before 2012, avg price, Need 5 dollar winter gas when volumes are up to balance summer low balance. Trend sheet on TV all the way down, 2.75, under 3 dollars now Comfort of hitting 3.25 this year. 1:28:15 ~ 1/13/2012 3:44:12 PM ~ Mai: What we saw today with storm, weather. Overall prices 2.75, 2.85. Storm through great lakes. Cash market we watch is in New York, one day increases price by 62 cents. Don't rush to price falling or recovery. 3.25 is where every one is at now, finance, drillers, companies. Reinforcement with analyst firm in Houston, forecast dropped to 3.25 1:30:30 ~ 1/13/2012 3:46:28 PM ~ Nicholas: Factors driving prices in market? 1:30:46 ~ 1/13/2012 3:46:44 PM ~ McVeigh: Domestic market, Fundamentals 3 yrs ago, supply far out stripping demand. Now, with shale gas competing with many more states. Basins where most supply is coming from are wet/dry. Marsela and Balkan. Producers paying more for the liquids because prices closer to crude oil price. Dry gas produced with it is factoring into supply. 1:32:23 ~ 1/13/2012 3:48:20 PM ~ Nicholas: If gas was not put into supply line, would be vented. 1:32:40 ~ 1/13/2012 3:48:37 PM ~ McVeigh: A lot is being vented or flared. Supply is far outstripping demand. 13% in underground storage over what we were a year ago, which was a near record level. How much will a major cold spell draw down to have an impact? 1:33:29 ~ 1/13/2012 3:49:26 PM ~ Nichols: If storage is full, gas goes to cheap market? 1:33:52 ~ 1/13/2012 3:49:50 PM ~ Mai: Correct, not cheap to shut in a well, would rather sell cheap. 1:34:06 ~ 1/13/2012 3:50:04 PM ~ Nicholas: lose leases 1:34:12 ~ 1/13/2012 3:50:09 PM ~ Mai; Really warm weather on top of everything else is enough to push down below 4 dollars. 1:34:34 ~ 1/13/2012 3:50:31 PM ~ Nicholas: Does cold spell bring revenues up? 1:34:48 ~ 1/13/2012 3:50:46 PM ~ Mai: Prolonged winter weather will bring it up..3.25 1:35:05 ~ 1/13/2012 3:51:02 PM ~ Nicholas: What does it take to get back to 4 or 5 gas? 1:35:23 ~ 1/13/2012 3:51:21 PM ~ Mai: Depends on how long...bit of a miracle last year, late cold spring that drug on, pulled supplies out of storage, With pipeline capacity, producers juggled storage. Prices held better through August, Sept than expected. 1:36:28 ~ 1/13/2012 3:52:26 PM ~ Nicholas: Reprducing graph next week, revenues will go down? 1:36:42 ~ 1/13/2012 3:52:40 PM ~ Mai: Those revenues will go down. I temper presentation ...bottom line 51 million hit in GF budget reserve in 11,/12 and 100 million reduction in FY 13,14 When budget starts to approach revenue line then 100 million makes a difference. 1:38:05 ~ 1/13/2012 3:54:03 PM ~ Nicholas: ? 1:38:11 ~ 1/13/2012 3:54:08 PM ~ Mai: As long as revenue line is flat, costs go up. As a state have thrown additional costs to recognize deferred costs to the state. 50 million for highways built into general fund expense, I see that as a responsible thing to do because you can only defer those costs for so long. Ongoing demand for revenue. 15/16 looks pretty ugly. Line will go underneath where your standard line will be if it continues to growl 1:40:03 ~ 1/13/2012 3:56:00 PM ~ Berger : Wyoming is cyclical. National slight recover. 1:40:34 ~ 1/13/2012 3:56:31 PM ~ McVeigh: Somewhat counter cyclical. What led us out of this recession was the minerals industry, especially oil and gas. Will see situation where shut ins are necessary. Coal methane in powder river basin will suffer. What led us out is now leveling off ; talking about oil and gas employment numbers. Sales and use tax collections are showing leveling off trend. Natural gas prices, crude oil prices and where producers feel comfortable going. 1:42:22 ~ 1/13/2012 3:58:19 PM ~ Berger: 1:42:30 ~ 1/13/2012 3:58:28 PM ~ Mai: Table 9 back page of green report. Assessed valuation table, Minerals Totals with breakout of oil, gas, coal and trona. Minerals total versus other property totals. In 80's things were solid, not a lot of extra money. In 1998 other property exceeded minerals, that coincided with tax reform 2000 and panic of where to get money to balance things out. Going foward in gas column, 2001,2002...., that is exactly what you are talking about. That gas came in and supplied a lot of money, a lot of valuation to this state. 2009 numbers. 2008 had doubling of oil price, look at gas numbers. US Economy took a nose drive. Whether one drives the other or not, would not say. Here is yoru example of counter cyclical. 1:45:56 ~ 1/13/2012 4:01:53 PM ~ Berger: Coal constant? 1:46:04 ~ 1/13/2012 4:02:02 PM ~ Mai: Coal better than constant, may have slight decline. It is solid component. 1:46:36 ~ 1/13/2012 4:02:34 PM ~ Pedersen: When we have to deliver to agencies and constituents, could you extrapulate out more years in the visual reference. 1:47:10 ~ 1/13/2012 4:03:08 PM ~ Mai: Is it 15,16 on your last data point. 17/18 would be a crap shoot 1:47:38 ~ 1/13/2012 4:03:35 PM ~ Pedersen: numbers based on. 1:47:44 ~ 1/13/2012 4:03:42 PM ~ Mai: Projections at 4 so this will take a little away from that. Graph is all revenue sources. No one getting much of an interest rate. Great revnue line, other states would be envious. 1:48:42 ~ 1/13/2012 4:04:39 PM ~ Nicholas: Chart, CREG gas 2003, 2010, Greatest jump in standard budget. If we had held standard budget to normal growth rate, have different situation, STandard budget grew. 1:49:45 ~ 1/13/2012 4:05:42 PM ~ Mai: Standard programs grew, added programs, beefed up programs. Had the money and spent it. Budget fiscal calls extras, highways, locals, not revenue flows set up in statutue, outside of standard budget. 1:50:39 ~ 1/13/2012 4:06:36 PM ~ Berger: 1:50:45 ~ 1/13/2012 4:06:43 PM ~ Mai: Green Reprot: Delay in this report, another state oil and gas lease sale, 1.1 million for GF and 5.1 million for schools., notified of overpayment of royalties to federal government, told would be taken out of one of our upcoming payments, so pulled it out of this report. Changed graph on page 3 to show effect of gas change on general fund an budget reserve. Far left point is actual number and from there is estimate...3 years. Recovery in 15/16 pg 4 coal lease bonus distribution. 1:53:04 ~ 1/13/2012 4:09:02 PM ~ Nicholas: Graph: Drew a line straight up, will show you. so in bienniuym that is your lost revenue? 1:53:46 ~ 1/13/2012 4:09:43 PM ~ Mai: Correct jsut from gas. Part that worries me is from School Foundation program, impact few years lager 1:54:15 ~ 1/13/2012 4:10:12 PM ~ Nicholas: Explain 1:54:19 ~ 1/13/2012 4:10:17 PM ~ Mai: Delay in collection of taxes, mill support school, where gas and oil are located hits recapture districts and hits how much recapture you get to fund SCC. Compound effects, each time you drop valuation has greater effects. 1:55:34 ~ 1/13/2012 4:11:31 PM ~ Nicholas: Mineral valuation drops in campbell county, for every dollar we use, campbell county loses a dollar and we have to make it up with school foundation money? 1:56:10 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:07 PM ~ Mai: Simplistic analysis that is correct, 1:56:24 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:22 PM ~ Nicholas: 1:56:27 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:25 PM ~ Mai: correct 1:56:32 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:29 PM ~ Berger: Goldenrod. 1:56:43 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:40 PM ~ Mai: Planning on school facility commission? 1:56:57 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:54 PM ~ Berger: yes 1:57:00 ~ 1/13/2012 4:12:58 PM ~ Mai: pg 1, total traditional funds available, go to 13/14 Oct level of projecttions with Jan level of projections with Gov recs, only change is assumptions 87.5 million, 87.5 million to 26.6 million underwater in GF dollars with Governor recs. Pg 1 first 3 lines representing LSra, all that 51 flows in, net effect found. Oct versus Jan, No change to the balance of 100 million. School foundaton program, school cap com, holding account. Total in head, think of in head. IN 13/14 derease from 110 to 42 and down in Jan. School capital construction account net reduction in 11/12. Transfers, 39.5 and 79 million added in this report, relected in 13/14 columns 362.8 to 442.3. Look at three counts in total just from a revenue point. Added 19 mill rev in 11/12 and 23.8 in 13/14 october versus January. Coal lease bonus sale in December, News says coal may go away but each coal lease bonus comes in a higher level, record per ton of coal for Wyoming, 29.4 million can be added to capital school construction per year for 5 years. 2:02:28 ~ 1/13/2012 4:18:25 PM ~ Nicholas: Coal, gas, school foundation program. What kind of hit to school account for gas? 2:02:50 ~ 1/13/2012 4:18:47 PM ~ Mai: can't readily identify in profile, lost 3 mills in valuation, calendar year 12 change of .75 per MCF, figures into 14 revenues, hits you 49.4 million, disregarding recapture. Two more years of reduction for next biennium. 2:04:05 ~ 1/13/2012 4:20:03 PM ~ Nicholas: Swing, loss, delayed hit, Immediate loss of 164 million adn delayed hit of 50 million so little over 200 million loss of revenue 2:04:37 ~ 1/13/2012 4:20:35 PM ~ Mai: Both GF and school foundation, that is pretty close. If you look at that first hit to valuation part, 43 mills, does nto come for 2 more years, have 2 years to get out from under that. 2:05:34 ~ 1/13/2012 4:21:31 PM ~ nicholas: If revenues come back, still have effects from school foundation 2:05:48 ~ 1/13/2012 4:21:45 PM ~ Mai: from those sources, correct 2:05:54 ~ 1/13/2012 4:21:51 PM ~ Nicholas: Warning statement on page 2. When we left last session, two years ago, had a similar warning. Automatic budget reduction, Go into this session before markup with 26 million defiicet to make up, 15/16 issue to pay for that knowing have delays, implementing further budget cuts to accomodate 15/16. 4 to 8 % cuts to prepare for 15/16. Now begin more cuts to get through this budget. Revenues also reduce in 15/16. Budget cuts to pay for 15/16 with our present revnue forecast. Now you have lowered that and you have a warning. 2:08:05 ~ 1/13/2012 4:24:03 PM ~ Mai: Appreciate your position, CREG is trying to let you know, CREG takes this extremely serious, do not want to ring alarm bells,. 2:09:18 ~ 1/13/2012 4:25:15 PM ~ Nicholas: Markup: Driving need for budget reduction for 15/16. Next year before mark up will be redoing out years, figuring out what to do to meet obligations 15/16 2:10:05 ~ 1/13/2012 4:26:02 PM ~ Mai: If recovery takes place will be back to 15/16 line School: pg 4. Chart on wall show ongoing revenue and expenditures line. Think about revenues and stick with 4th column and compare revenues to expenditures. Distregard 19.9 million transfer. Demands are closing in pretty close to your revenue line in this account. Worries me. That you have very little control over. That money you will spend, unless you msuter will and votes to make drastic changes. Have money in reserve and coal lease bonuses, do not take your eyes off of it. 2:12:21 ~ 1/13/2012 4:28:19 PM ~ Nicholas: Hathaway spread, using it to build schools, lose that spread have not way to build schools and have to raid GF to supplement School foundation fund. 2:12:50 ~ 1/13/2012 4:28:48 PM ~ Mai: Point: If wiggle room goes awya, it could go away in big hurry and you would have a big problem. 2:13:13 ~ 1/13/2012 4:29:11 PM ~ Berger: 2:13:18 ~ 1/13/2012 4:29:15 PM ~ Mai: McVeigh is going to retire. Will miss him. Hope replacement is half as good as him 2:13:44 ~ 1/13/2012 4:29:42 PM ~ Berger: Thanks for yoru service 2:13:52 ~ 1/13/2012 4:29:49 PM ~ McVeigh: Honor to work with you, will miss it, looking forward to next ride . 2:14:25 ~ 1/13/2012 4:30:22 PM ~ 2:14:30 ~ 1/13/2012 4:32:07 PM ~ Ian Senate File 110 created the School Facilites Commissiion which provides oversite. I've been very grateful for the facility committees helpl I have Dianne Bailey Stanley George Calidia Terresa Commissioner Smith The Gov's Office 900 600 expenditures I have provided a handout for all of you. Front to book, table of contents Doc. 1 Page 2:18:43 ~ 1/13/2012 4:36:19 PM ~ Bailey 2:19:08 ~ 1/13/2012 4:36:45 PM ~ Harshman 600 series Page 4 #8 Suitablility Studies #19, #25 I guess I thought we were done with sutibility studies 2:20:15 ~ 1/13/2012 4:37:51 PM ~ Ian That should not have been labeled that way. 2:20:41 ~ 1/13/2012 4:38:17 PM ~ Harshman #11 on Page 4 Fanning/Howey 2:21:16 ~ 1/13/2012 4:38:53 PM ~ Nicholas What is the arc intigrated program. What are they doing for us? 2:21:41 ~ 1/13/2012 4:39:18 PM ~ Ian Several audits were found Part of my charge was to give an assessment of this department. I found that many of those items had not adequately been addressed. Developing standard operating procedures. Final report will show that we are in compliance. We did 2:23:28 ~ 1/13/2012 4:41:05 PM ~ Nicholas Did we approve this amount? 2:23:51 ~ 1/13/2012 4:41:27 PM ~ Ian It is in our current budget and we paid for it out of operating funds 2:24:31 ~ 1/13/2012 4:42:07 PM ~ Nicholas Did we approve a line item at that level? 2:24:50 ~ 1/13/2012 4:42:27 PM ~ Ian This is a task order. If we need an assessment on a property they will go collect that information Coleman engineering has provided information for school design 2:26:15 ~ 1/13/2012 4:43:51 PM ~ Nicholas Were they selected through a procurment process or is it just a firm that everyone is comfortable with. You are free call upon them when we need them 2:27:30 ~ 1/13/2012 4:45:07 PM ~ Ian He has a wealth of knowledge of Wyoming Statutes. I would like staff to be able to do that. That would be very acceptable to me. 2:28:45 ~ 1/13/2012 4:46:22 PM ~ Nicholas Can you provide that infor for such employee by next Friday? 2:29:25 ~ 1/13/2012 4:47:02 PM ~ Ian Yes 2:29:35 ~ 1/13/2012 4:47:11 PM ~ Harshman Did you know him before? 2:29:50 ~ 1/13/2012 4:47:27 PM ~ Ian No 2:29:55 ~ 1/13/2012 4:47:32 PM ~ Nicholas Inberg Surveying 2:30:11 ~ 1/13/2012 4:47:48 PM ~ Ian Prior to my coming to this job We had a task order with two companies to work with. In the future we are going to have multiple engineers available. This is a company that helps put together contracts 2:32:01 ~ 1/13/2012 4:49:38 PM ~ Nicholas These are lawyers? 2:32:32 ~ 1/13/2012 4:50:08 PM ~ Ian Yes I don't believe 2:32:54 ~ 1/13/2012 4:50:31 PM ~ Nicholas First of all we have a wonderful AG's office 2:33:18 ~ 1/13/2012 4:50:54 PM ~ Nicholas Stop using them. 2:33:28 ~ 1/13/2012 4:51:05 PM ~ Nicholas Troy Becker Worked on??? 2:34:10 ~ 1/13/2012 4:51:46 PM ~ Ian Suitability Study 2:34:36 ~ 1/13/2012 4:52:13 PM ~ Nicholas IS there a reason he is AWEC and not a full time employee? Thats a $100,000 per year. How long to you expect to be contracting with him. This is one of those if he walks like, a duck, talkls like a duck, he's a duck Provide a budget to move him from 900 series to 100 series. 2:37:27 ~ 1/13/2012 4:55:04 PM ~ Ian Another AWEC position is Runs out data base information There other AWEC position is vacant 2:38:48 ~ 1/13/2012 4:56:25 PM ~ Berger Work the budget 2:39:21 ~ 1/13/2012 4:56:58 PM ~ Nicholas Lets go to 5 2:39:52 ~ 1/13/2012 4:57:29 PM ~ Berger: Lets go to 6 2:40:13 ~ 1/13/2012 4:57:49 PM ~ Agar When do you want school facilites 2:40:38 ~ 1/13/2012 4:58:15 PM ~ Matt Next thursday 2:41:02 ~ 1/13/2012 4:58:39 PM ~ Berger 1:00 next Thursday. 2:41:41 ~ 1/13/2012 4:59:18 PM ~ Nicholas Lets talk about Rock and roll and tell us about the budget 2:42:29 ~ 1/13/2012 5:00:06 PM ~ Ian On Page 8 Submit a budget by ......... Go to the select committee's budget At the time we did not have additional monies for Natrona County. The recommended that we we put a 75 mill place card in for that. At that time 126 mill was the estimate. 2:45:54 ~ 1/13/2012 5:03:31 PM ~ Matt We assumed that the gov would 2:46:16 ~ 1/13/2012 5:03:52 PM ~ Nicholas So there was not a number for Natrona County 2:46:37 ~ 1/13/2012 5:04:14 PM ~ Matt That was the orinigainal budget and leave the small adjusments to the gov. 2:47:21 ~ 1/13/2012 5:04:58 PM ~ Ian Mary Cayhill asked if the committee would put in 120 mill placeholder At the end of the select committee I understood that is was our charge to put in a placeholder 2:48:59 ~ 1/13/2012 5:06:35 PM ~ Meier I thought you added 136 to 238 2:49:18 ~ 1/13/2012 5:06:55 PM ~ Ian He wanted to work within the budget of approximately $400,000 2:49:45 ~ 1/13/2012 5:07:21 PM ~ Meier So we have projects that are redlined off the list for Casper 2:50:20 ~ 1/13/2012 5:07:56 PM ~ Ian that is correct 18 mill was the total and then reduced to 8 mill This does reflect to final amount to the Casper schools. 2:51:36 ~ 1/13/2012 5:09:13 PM ~ Nicholas What is the 2:51:51 ~ 1/13/2012 5:09:28 PM ~ Ian Page 40 These are cost esimates. This represents a couple of different scenereos. F&H Scenario 2B Basically a new Kelly Walsh. It is actually a staggared start 2:53:59 ~ 1/13/2012 5:11:36 PM ~ Nicholas Can we get this nailed down by next week. 2:54:45 ~ 1/13/2012 5:12:21 PM ~ Rep. H: reading minutes of Select Committee. Question on page 40 How come not 2A which is cheaper? 2:55:44 ~ 1/13/2012 5:13:21 PM ~ Catellier: With the projects in Casper. Those 2 enitites alone $327 mil in Casper area. I believe that would bring about raising costs. 2:57:22 ~ 1/13/2012 5:14:59 PM ~ Rep. H: How come you cut the rest of projects the Select Committee approved. 2:57:57 ~ 1/13/2012 5:15:33 PM ~ Berger: Page 11...schools that were dropped. Under construction. 2:58:21 ~ 1/13/2012 5:15:58 PM ~ Rep. H: Select Committee approved several different school projects and then they were dropped. Did the Gov. feel uneasy with this. 2:59:15 ~ 1/13/2012 5:16:52 PM ~ Catellier: Can't speak ffor the Gov. 2:59:32 ~ 1/13/2012 5:17:09 PM ~ Nicholas: My understanding that there was 400 million consruction without major maintinance. My recollection was FY14 we brought it up We would had been about another 100 million I thought we had looked at what Wyoming contractors could handle without causing 3:02:29 ~ 1/13/2012 5:20:06 PM ~ Ian I thought it was to be about 150 mill per year 3:02:50 ~ 1/13/2012 5:20:27 PM ~ Nicholas Your including major maintanance If we fund Page 39 If we committ to 239 we don't have to build them at the same time 3:04:37 ~ 1/13/2012 5:22:13 PM ~ Harshman To me it's no different than... design might put them out further. 3:05:18 ~ 1/13/2012 5:22:55 PM ~ Ian They phase up or don't phase down 3:05:51 ~ 1/13/2012 5:23:28 PM ~ Nicholas They could build us 3:06:05 ~ 1/13/2012 5:23:42 PM ~ Harshman Why were some left on and some left off 3:06:31 ~ 1/13/2012 5:24:08 PM ~ Nicholas As long as we have a committment. 3:06:55 ~ 1/13/2012 5:24:31 PM ~ Harshman It's a pretty big deal 3:07:17 ~ 1/13/2012 5:24:53 PM ~ Hill The gov's thinking was impact Casper was not profiled. THe committee did express support for Casper. Gov was not comfortable endorsing a 500 mill consruction number 3:09:00 ~ 1/13/2012 5:26:36 PM ~ Nicholas Look at page 39 259 mill 3:09:24 ~ 1/13/2012 5:27:00 PM ~ Ian Orginal cost estimate Page 40 show 3 sceneros You can see the total costs were 256 mill 3:10:18 ~ 1/13/2012 5:27:55 PM ~ Nicholas How much do you have put in your budget 3:10:33 ~ 1/13/2012 5:28:09 PM ~ Ian 108 mill +126 mill 3:10:49 ~ 1/13/2012 5:28:25 PM ~ Nicholas Give me a moment We have changed our policy Previous years what was happening what are we going to spend this year, and how much next year. Sheridan said wait a minute you said you were committed to this project but now you have changed your concept. We said that that we would never do that again. You need to have more projects lined up. You might be able to hit your 150. We have resources. Then have another discussion, when are we to build them. 3:15:37 ~ 1/13/2012 5:33:13 PM ~ Ian It is not online. 3:16:07 ~ 1/13/2012 5:33:44 PM ~ Berger Bring it on a drive. The one comment I want to make 3:16:36 ~ 1/13/2012 5:34:13 PM ~ Ian That index We have taken the best information we have to study capacity and prioritize them. However, this list here goes four years out. 3:17:38 ~ 1/13/2012 5:35:14 PM ~ Berger I think that is what we were trying to do 3:17:55 ~ 1/13/2012 5:35:32 PM ~ Harshman I think we had conditions that were hidden. That is some of things we are going to talk about. This one is new this year and we just work with what we have. The other deal is the real issue IT is getting students into proper facilites 3:19:53 ~ 1/13/2012 5:37:30 PM ~ Nicholas In the first place, out facilities are not that bad. If we did everything at a pace we substain. I don't think our forefarthers said they had to have a new building. 3:21:28 ~ 1/13/2012 5:39:04 PM ~ Ian That is what the graph shows We have tried to look at this so there is an even construction rate. I believe that we have enough projects in the pipeline. The 3:22:39 ~ 1/13/2012 5:40:16 PM ~ Harshman Why would you add more projects and take Casper off the list. 3:23:11 ~ 1/13/2012 5:40:47 PM ~ Nicholas We talk about Wyoming contractors like they are the Wyoming worker. They might not be able to bond these projects. We always have make sure our workers have work. 3:24:52 ~ 1/13/2012 5:42:28 PM ~ Ian If the general get 75% of Wyoming workers. 3:25:37 ~ 1/13/2012 5:43:14 PM ~ Nicholas If we put too much work in one community at one time, you will have out of state contractors to complete all the work. 3:27:00 ~ 1/13/2012 5:44:37 PM ~ Berger Monday morning at 9:00 a.m.