File name: JAC Budget Hearings FY 13-14_20111209_073848.dcr Folder: C:\Documents and Settings\HAppropriations\Desktop\Recordings 0 ~ 12/9/2011 8:36:40 AM ~ Insirance 6 ~ 12/9/2011 8:36:46 AM ~ Insurance Department 044 Ken Vines , Director 33 ~ 12/9/2011 8:37:12 AM ~ 1:20 ~ 12/9/2011 8:38:00 AM ~ Vines: Insurance Commission and Director, Greff and Patch from his office ar here. Dept is small... Basically oversee 4 budget division: adminstration, Board of Insurance Examiners, Wyoming Health Insurance Pool...and Small Employer Health Insurance Program... The administration budget. Self-funded agency so use no general funds. Every insurance company, about 1100, are assessed annually. Current year $2450 per company license. Provides half of budget...All money collect through fees, fines, premium taxes goes to general fund. Dept does not receive money. 5:58 ~ 12/9/2011 8:42:38 AM ~ Mier: Volunteer fireman's retirement funded throught premium and EMT got into system and don't have funding. Don't know how much to general fund would give them a revenue stream. What goes? 6:47 ~ 12/9/2011 8:43:27 AM ~ Vines: Voluntary fireman's fund is funded throught premium taxes. There was a discussion to add other groups but did nothapend. Would tell as a gross amount assess $20 M each year, but $10M go to general fund. Rest goes to other programs... 7:59 ~ 12/9/2011 8:44:39 AM ~ Mier: Could do research about going to EMT program. Might be preclluded. 8:25 ~ 12/9/2011 8:45:05 AM ~ Nicholas: For all practical purposes it is a tax. When look at golden rod. Forecast all tax revenue including $10M. If want to intercept tax before gets to general fund, you could. The minute it is captured as expenditure.... Whenbills come in they intercept in the year after so is not profiled on the golden rod. Next year the general funds are reduced. .. Could apply same logic elsewhere. You are simply earmarking funds. 10:40 ~ 12/9/2011 8:47:19 AM ~ Nicholas: Can get th 10:53 ~ 12/9/2011 8:47:33 AM ~ Vindes: Can get from premium taxes 11:06 ~ 12/9/2011 8:47:45 AM ~ Nicholas: Can get where they are going and provide a list of earmarks-- interceptions. It effects the general fund if intercepted. Would like a summary 11:47 ~ 12/9/2011 8:48:27 AM ~ Vines: In Wyo Health Insurance Pool there is a cap on assessments. Most could get is $5.2M in premium tax that would not go to general fund each year. 12:29 ~ 12/9/2011 8:49:09 AM ~ Nicholas: Questions 12:35 ~ 12/9/2011 8:49:14 AM ~ Von Flatern. Page 11 how do it work? 13:02 ~ 12/9/2011 8:49:41 AM ~ 13:08 ~ 12/9/2011 8:49:47 AM ~ Vines: For projecttions on premium taxes are over the biennium. So get less than $10M per year. Reason for less amounts involves the self-employer reinsurance. Premium taxes were not allowed previously. To make more appealing , legislature instituted tax for that funds.. Additional 5% from time assessed until time could use credit. That reduces the premium taxes put into the general fund. ... 15:32 ~ 12/9/2011 8:52:12 AM ~ Von Flatern: What premium tax billed for and credited against. Wyo Healthy Insurance Pool is generally funded by people in th epool paying the premium to be covered (can't get insurance from another source). ..If in highend side you are paying 150%-200% compared to private insurance market. ... Because are sick and not insurable so claims are high. Health insurance companies are assessed certain amounts with cap on that Could be assesed up to $^M in a given year... 80% tax credit in first $1 and thereafter decreases... The way the state participated it grants the tax credit so never sees the general fund. 18:39 ~ 12/9/2011 8:55:19 AM ~ Von Flatern: Each company individually assed for WHUIP, But we give them a credit? 19:01 ~ 12/9/2011 8:55:41 AM ~ Vines: It is based on there prorata share in Wyo. .. But pay inbut don't take credit until March. If owe so much taxes the premium credit is deducted. 19:48 ~ 12/9/2011 8:56:27 AM ~ Vines: With regard to administration budget our ten year history of positions. Have handout. 2002 had 25 FTE and in 2007 given 2 additional positions up to 27 FTE. At the hiiring freexe could not fill 3 vacanat positions. 2011 those positions cut so now are 24 positions. We didn't have part time or AWEC. 21:40 ~ 12/9/2011 8:58:20 AM ~ Nicholas: If look at budget from 2007 to now, has budget grown? 22:03 ~ 12/9/2011 8:58:42 AM ~ Vines: Doesn't have budget but guess it is lower. Some positions receive market increases. One of the positions was market conduct positions. We reclassified into that positions so that amount of salary would be kept in the budget. Probably inched back to the similar amount. 23:12 ~ 12/9/2011 8:59:52 AM ~ Nicholas: Problem... some growth in programs and then reduce employees but then returned around gave market increases.... These personnel dirven that drive. Impression over-all budget creeping up. You are lower than 2002 but .. Give us feelings and thoughts about that so hard to assess what we are going to do. 24:46 ~ 12/9/2011 9:01:26 AM ~ Von Flatern: Handout lacking a page. 25:05 ~ 12/9/2011 9:01:45 AM ~ Berger: It is in the big handout-- Helath Insurance Letter 26:28 ~ 12/9/2011 9:03:07 AM ~ Nicholas: Have to page through big handout to agency number.Where did you see ... 27:41 ~ 12/9/2011 9:04:20 AM ~ VonFlatern: All handouts in big package 27:51 ~ 12/9/2011 9:04:30 AM ~ Vines: We provide synopsis of budget. But you have it. The only general fund aside from premium tax credits. Only amount is for Wyoming Health Insurance Pool. $6M general appropriation for WHIP in previous bienniums. The pool is divided into lower and higher income individuals. Higher individuals could afford premiums but tougher for lower income pool membes. 250% of poverty guideliens used. Lower pool pays less premiums, the $6M supports that lower income level II. If look at first page, it is simple process of what to cut by a multiple of the $6M appropriated for WHIP. 31:11 ~ 12/9/2011 9:07:51 AM ~ Mier: When making payments, what rate 31:21 ~ 12/9/2011 9:08:01 AM ~ Vines: WHIP is separate entity. He is a member of Board that oversess. Adopt plan of operation and what's offered. We try to make them similar to major medical. It is similar to what a private insurance company woudl do. There are about 1000 participants. ... 32:32 ~ 12/9/2011 9:09:12 AM ~ Mier: If we paid at 98% would get 2% cut 32:48 ~ 12/9/2011 9:09:27 AM ~ Vines: The $6M is there to be available to pay the claims. As he says in synopsis, have not used entire amount to pay claims. Residual reverts to general funds... What you really do when reduce you reduce the amount to pay claims. It doens't necessarily mean we wouldn't pay claims, but weakens the pool if had a bad year and needed to pay claims. An insurance comapny needs reserves but don't know if will hit claim level or not. WHIP is not a state agency-- separate helath program. You hope that money remains avialable to pay claims. 35:22 ~ 12/9/2011 9:12:01 AM ~ Mier: What has this program reverted to the general fund. 35:47 ~ 12/9/2011 9:12:26 AM ~ Vines: The total budget for WHIP is $29M with only $^M from general fund. In current biennium have not used entire amount-- about half he estimates. He guesses in prior biennium would have put back about $2M. 37:06 ~ 12/9/2011 9:13:46 AM ~ Nicholas: In addition do we have premium tax going into the amount on table. Premiums paid by the employees or does it include credits. 37:42 ~ 12/9/2011 9:14:21 AM ~ Vines: No those are estimates of premiums paid by employees, The general fund amount is below. 38:36 ~ 12/9/2011 9:15:16 AM ~ Nicholas The see what we are paying per capita The would help us with the Healthy Frontiers I'm trying to see what it would look like to see what the premiums are based upon. Maybe we could take a couple of snapshots of what individuals...... Your premium is already being subsidised by tax on insurance, this amount is subsidised by the General Fund, this is being subsidised by the .......... Then when compared that to the data of the Healthy Frontiers 42:20 ~ 12/9/2011 9:18:59 AM ~ Von Flatern So what Mr. Chairman is asking for is what the government contributes to the premium fee. 43:12 ~ 12/9/2011 9:19:51 AM ~ Nicholas Subsidies our of assessments that you and I pay. One comes out of the fund that is the credit, the other in not paid by the any credit. Each time... 44:39 ~ 12/9/2011 9:21:19 AM ~ Vines The insurance companies would be happy if we let the public know that these monies are a part of their premium. 45:29 ~ 12/9/2011 9:22:09 AM ~ Meier Divide that 14 mill by a 1,000, that should tell us 45:58 ~ 12/9/2011 9:22:38 AM ~ Nicholas If I stay with an 46:12 ~ 12/9/2011 9:22:52 AM ~ Vines If the Federal law was implemented, there would be no need for the high risk pool. On the administrative budget Page 12 We had an amont of42283 for replacement. The gov. is less than the amount we asked for. This is becouse the new agency can buy cheaper.. I'm fine with that amount Page 14 400 series Page 27 I need to give back ground This program is provided so that the insurance co. in the small group market They have an individual that is much sicker than the rest of the groupl If you leave them in group, the re-insurance pool is cover the costs for that high cost person. The is to mitigate the premium of the rest of the groupl The amount that we can budget for this program is limited by statut. It is funded by what the insurance companies pay. Both the premium is limited in the statuts. They also created a premium tax credit THe also pay for the loss of money until you use it. This amount is assessed to all insurance We estimated that claims way above that amount. We had the same issue last budget session. For instance in the current biennium, out budget was 24 mill. costs have been 12 mill. We feel that we have to budget and we feel that we sould budget the max amount. Gov agrees This is overseed by a board and they have a contigency plan. Original company would pay the additional 25%. 57:36 ~ 12/9/2011 9:34:16 AM ~ Nicholas If the program as it is constituted drives the program. For all practical purposes it reduces in-flow to the General Fund That will be someones..... 58:54 ~ 12/9/2011 9:35:34 AM ~ Vines 59:03 ~ 12/9/2011 9:35:43 AM ~ Von Flatern Is this just a spending authory we are giving you. 59:29 ~ 12/9/2011 9:36:09 AM ~ Vines THe premium flow into it, the.... flow into it. 40% of what the previous year . It's a wash because the get a 100% credit 1:00:34 ~ 12/9/2011 9:37:14 AM ~ Nicholas I pay insurance In this instance a premium is paid to be in this pool. 1:01:20 ~ 12/9/2011 9:38:00 AM ~ Vines They pay and they are assessed. It will equal 100% of the assessment 1:01:56 ~ 12/9/2011 9:38:35 AM ~ Nicholas If I'm paying a 1$, do I get acredit 1:02:31 ~ 12/9/2011 9:39:11 AM ~ Vines: That goes to the pool 1:02:46 ~ 12/9/2011 9:39:26 AM ~ Nicholas If we look at the fund base E We have investment income The 16.8 mill 1:03:35 ~ 12/9/2011 9:40:14 AM ~ Vines They would get a premioum tax credit for that. If they are paying 7 mill. is less than going private. They are going to there own 1:04:42 ~ 12/9/2011 9:41:21 AM ~ Nicholas That sounds like it is a tax credit 1:05:08 ~ 12/9/2011 9:41:47 AM ~ Vines 1:05:14 ~ 12/9/2011 9:41:53 AM ~ Nicholas The subsidised plus the unsubsidised ,, A flow chart based the the 24 and the 26 How much that will reduce the general fund revinues. If there is an incremental fund This is your skin in the game, this is ours 1:07:17 ~ 12/9/2011 9:43:56 AM ~ Vines It's hard to quantify how much it helps. 1:08:08 ~ 12/9/2011 9:44:48 AM ~ Nicholas Are they saying that they are uninsurable 1:08:33 ~ 12/9/2011 9:45:13 AM ~ Vines I would guess that the prumium is better in the pool than in the private market. Some are healthy, some are sick, some are very sick. 1:09:34 ~ 12/9/2011 9:46:14 AM ~ Nicholas I'm concered about the lack of transparency of who is getting this credit. Half is general fund........Is it a gift to one or two people 1:11:02 ~ 12/9/2011 9:47:42 AM ~ Meier Yours premium has been subsidized by X amount from the State of Wyoming 1:12:07 ~ 12/9/2011 9:48:47 AM ~ Vines It is the insurance company that decides. 1:12:44 ~ 12/9/2011 9:49:24 AM ~ Edmons My thoughts are when an employer knows that 1:13:22 ~ 12/9/2011 9:50:01 AM ~ Nicholas My company is insuring the outlyers. If our subsidy is being applied IF there is only one company and they are getting a million rebate, we woouldn't be too happy about that. I think with that in mind how much tax dollars is being applied 1:15:23 ~ 12/9/2011 9:52:03 AM ~ Meier In addition ............ We should be able to get that information 1:16:13 ~ 12/9/2011 9:52:53 AM ~ Nicholas They werent; any re-insurance available or was too expensive. Let's reaxam it. 1:17:10 ~ 12/9/2011 9:53:50 AM ~ Edmonds If you notice any trends, we need to know about. That would be beneficial 1:17:40 ~ 12/9/2011 9:54:20 AM ~ Vines Reinsured wives has gone way up. We make sure Rep. Pederson files the appropriate. 1:18:43 ~ 12/9/2011 10:15:53 AM ~ Board of Parole Agency 081, Patrick Anderson, Director 1:18:47 ~ 12/9/2011 10:15:58 AM ~ Anderson: Sturebing and Fetsco accompanies him. Board conducts interviews -- herarings: How does the interviews help the state... preparation while incarderated and have certain conditions ... Is better than to keep in prison and walk out (at end of term). Have return curve of measure of percentage of inmates going out to successfful paroles. Up in the number of hear days and up in in number of interviews and grants and down in number of recovations... More prisoners coming out to paroles. good time... intermediate jail sanctions. Jumping budget has no excpetion requests. STandard budget has not changed in FY04-05 biennium. Did increase by makert and one personnel factors. Since 2006 remain stable staffing. Only areas comformtable is travel for cutting. Have had use of governors plane to conduct interviews. ... Why does Board need to go and see inmates face-toface. When hear about benefits of being a small state, almost anybody can have contact with branches of government. It is very rare to meet with each offedner as in Wyoming by the Board. hearings 1:26:21 ~ 12/9/2011 10:23:32 AM ~ Nicholas: Lack of satisfaction in not being able to see the person coudl it be attributed to alck of quality of video conferencing. Was it high quality? 1:27:02 ~ 12/9/2011 10:24:12 AM ~ Anderson: A little of both -- the quality issue resolved by the last time used for inmates who wer in Virginia. In the past it was factor. The bigger factor is the quality fo interaction -- look offender in the eye and get a feel for the individual. Problem with televideo is that members are all over the state -- would all have to travel to central point or provide eqiupement for them... When conduct meeting by electronic communciations impede the flow of discussions... Personnel meetings are superior. With the cuts proposed , they would still be able to travel by dirving as opposed to plane. 1:29:46 ~ 12/9/2011 10:26:57 AM ~ Nicholas: Hard to have board member volunteers and make the changes hard. As to video nand having quality sites. Have ability to require communicty colleges assist in this. If want to explore and have other people set up the call centers. Could have A&I get you sites and try it. If want to see present state of videoconferencing... 1:31:15 ~ 12/9/2011 10:28:25 AM ~ Anderson: Certainly would have to have these options in mind... But if you are talking about step further so members don't have to travel, it si worth explorig 1:32:07 ~ 12/9/2011 10:29:18 AM ~ Nicholas: Questions 1:32:16 ~ 12/9/2011 10:29:27 AM ~ Wallis: Are we going to have a point in time where we look at the state airplane. Cursiou abuot their utilization and costs.... May have value with a different mdoel 1:32:58 ~ 12/9/2011 10:30:09 AM ~ Nicholas: Usually comes up in WYDOT. ... What we will do is bring us the latest defense and description of justifications for jets and costs... 1:33:46 ~ 12/9/2011 10:30:56 AM ~ Von Flatern: WYDOT does publish this regularly. Assume could see on website 1:34:05 ~ 12/9/2011 10:31:16 AM ~ Nicholas: As practical matter there was higher scrutiny when diffenet parties... 1:34:40 ~ 12/9/2011 10:31:50 AM ~ Wallis: Private jet options .... There may be times when we need five and then don't need any. Private enterprise 1:35:31 ~ 12/9/2011 10:32:42 AM ~ Nicholas: WYDOT will have to provide backup. Acquisition of jets was legislatively driven. The point was that they (Sen Larson) never got to see a governor. With jets who gets to use them and what are priorities. Gettign people to sit on parole board is not easy...Environmental QUality Council the access to jets huge...when is it less expensive and are we going to allow chartering of services. We also have other palnes -- UW has one. Will alert WYDOT or if we want make Pat? 1:37:49 ~ 12/9/2011 10:35:00 AM ~ Nicholas: Questions. Thanks Pat 1:38:11 ~ 12/9/2011 10:35:22 AM ~ Agency 008 Public Denfender, Statewide Diane Lozane, state public deffender 1:39:03 ~ 12/9/2011 10:36:13 AM ~ Nicholas: Status of GAL problem....legislation with Mr . Gruver, why do we need legislation. 1:39:22 ~ 12/9/2011 10:36:33 AM ~ Diane: Guardian ad litum program was tranfered..by session law,,, office req funding for 2009 - 2010 budget yr,,no reference to 2011-2012 or 2013-2014....nervous about authority...we gave the governors office that we would like to codify that law and incoroporate a statutary guideline...attorneys covered by ....proposed draft given to LSO, chairman Nicholas has looked at it. Session law in 2008 required us to rpomulage rules and guidelines so we did, personally and legally some questions if we needed something stronger. 1:41:41 ~ 12/9/2011 10:38:52 AM ~ Nicholas ; May requie a budget amendment...or elimnate the funding...a note .. introduce folks 1:42:17 ~ 12/9/2011 10:39:27 AM ~ Diane: Brian Young, director of ad services, ryan roden, guardium at litauim , stacy and rod, it director Things have been evening out as far as caseloads...13,000+ new cases, crimes misdeamnors and felonies, 2% inc.. working on improving in house tracking of cases , implenentaing a case waiting system, Guardian ad litum...2010 budget reduced by 500,000 so ..hrly rates for attorneys...overcautious on cuts, better handle on what is bieng billed...caseloads went down slightly 2187 in 2010 dropped minimally....880 new cases assigned abuse..in the guardian ad litum if caseloads do not change, we should be okay even with reduction proposals major vendors in 900 series, alphabetical by vendor, not seperated out by code, more helpful to have it divided by category, can get that to you. 1:45:27 ~ 12/9/2011 10:42:38 AM ~ Nicholas: just give us a summary in the future,,,example for Copenhaver law firm. all for law firms doing contrac work throug the state... Questions about payments. we have asked but you know your budget and what make ssense to hire contract 1:46:23 ~ 12/9/2011 10:43:34 AM ~ Diane: ..we did ask for positions, ..fremont county increase in caseload 1:46:48 ~ 12/9/2011 10:43:59 AM ~ Nicholas: did not say reduce other series, move 900 to 100 series is different than adding... 1:47:11 ~ 12/9/2011 10:44:22 AM ~ Diane: 10 yr historical FTE's for the agency..increase by about 25% in the last 10 yrs..Public defenders ince 37% then guardium ad litum was added so last budget session ...positions added. 1:47:57 ~ 12/9/2011 10:45:08 AM ~ Nicholas; Questions 1:48:02 ~ 12/9/2011 10:45:13 AM ~ Diane: 600 series handout payment for student loans throug JR Justice Grant..helps pbulic ..prosecuting attorneys who continue public service to pay back school laons....able to give 90000 in student loan payments equally in defenders and prosecuters, not in budget book but in the 600 series public defenders and prosecuters 2011 reapplied for 104,000, ask for 500 to be administrations. 1:49:44 ~ 12/9/2011 10:46:55 AM ~ Nicholas: ... Diane: 1:49:57 ~ 12/9/2011 10:47:08 AM ~ Diane: Exception budget pg 12 ..beginning of exception budget priority 1 - attorney in lander which handles fremont county travels between lander and riverton, take 900 series and move into 100 series, gov did not recommend 1:50:56 ~ 12/9/2011 10:48:07 AM ~ Nicholas: revenue neutral on salary, how about office and admin 1:51:17 ~ 12/9/2011 10:48:28 AM ~ Diane: have office space there, 2 legal assistants and inv. , fremont county good about providing stipends 1:51:43 ~ 12/9/2011 10:48:54 AM ~ Nicholas: Did gov understand it was reve neutral 1:51:53 ~ 12/9/2011 10:49:03 AM ~ Diane: yes 1:51:56 ~ 12/9/2011 10:49:07 AM ~ NIcholas: revenue neutral, getting a full time lawyer over the contract, will clients be better served,, 1:52:20 ~ 12/9/2011 10:49:30 AM ~ Diane: Taht is exactly my sense and belief, 17 yrs experience...contract lawyers have personal clients Fremont county..we monitor open cases, fremont coutny has larges t number, we are increasing FTE by .25, supplementing out of natrona county, panic level will start to decrease 1:53:26 ~ 12/9/2011 10:50:36 AM ~ Nicholas: given that we have encourage you to eliminate contracting...Bret, talk to the governor and make sure he understand the signifigance, specific reason for not wanting it 1:53:55 ~ 12/9/2011 10:51:06 AM ~ Bret: conversation, employee requests, a similar request was approved in 2011-2012 for 1 here and 4 in guardium ad litum, wnated to take a break and see a history of the immpact of those conversions. 1:54:46 ~ 12/9/2011 10:51:57 AM ~ Nicholas: fair enough. We have been driving conversation about contracting with private lawyers who are billing full time and competing for time with private clients...with the GAL program, I agree. GAL dollars were not going as far as we wanted so we put it in Diane's program,,so mayu drive it the other way, may provide less services or pay moer to get the services out,,catch a meeting with the governor on this issue,...make sure still there 1:56:27 ~ 12/9/2011 10:53:38 AM ~ Meier: In contracts, a lot of charges for 92.59 or 104. What is the avg dollar charge, range or maxium 1:57:03 ~ 12/9/2011 10:54:13 AM ~ Diane: Smaller amts are probably travel vouchers. PD pay 45 to 50 per hour, right now they get a set amount as a slary, half time 3900 per month, so will see consistently the same amounts GAD make 79 dollars per hour 1:57:48 ~ 12/9/2011 10:54:59 AM ~ Meier: 40 hr week, cost per hour is 126, 1:58:12 ~ 12/9/2011 10:55:23 AM ~ Diane: dpends on the work and type of case, that seems low, 1:58:23 ~ 12/9/2011 10:55:34 AM ~ Meier: 40 hrs per week, do attorneys work more than 40 hrs per week? 1:58:44 ~ 12/9/2011 10:55:55 AM ~ Diane: We contract iwwht attorneys, in Laramie county ..open case load, get that amount, no matter the hours... GAD 16 hrs ona case.. 1:59:12 ~ 12/9/2011 10:56:23 AM ~ Meier: trying to figure out whether to have contract hours , travel costs are a wash, office costs in cluded in the 45 or 50.. WHy are we paying twice as much? 1:59:54 ~ 12/9/2011 10:57:05 AM ~ Diane: 2:00:00 ~ 12/9/2011 10:57:11 AM ~ Bill Mai: rahter than looking at 2080 hrs need to look at 4060 hours as it is a biennium 2:00:25 ~ 12/9/2011 10:57:35 AM ~ Meier 2:00:30 ~ 12/9/2011 10:57:41 AM ~ Diane 2:00:33 ~ 12/9/2011 10:57:44 AM ~ Nicholas: complicated issue, ex. GAL program in one community ..getting complaints from litigants that if mother and father both have attorneys, paying GAL then the costs are double, the more they work, the more money they get so mother and fathers fees have doubled. IN pd that does not happen, no financial benefit to drive a case up...no reason to push case on GAL system. Hourly billing, if you don't like 75, just bill the case very time you think about it to pick up hours We have a populaton that needs GAL work. How do we best serve them? Lived under PD system when it was entirely contracted. Having professional PD's offeres better service, can not run a law service on 45 per hour, some folks will meet case loads, PDS clients wait while private clients see attorney ahead of them\ Shifting dollars to someone where all they are doing will give better service 2:03:51 ~ 12/9/2011 11:01:02 AM ~ Von Flatern'''.25 FTE, explain 2:04:01 ~ 12/9/2011 11:01:11 AM ~ Diane: Eliminate a contact so borrow a .25 FTE, 2:04:28 ~ 12/9/2011 11:01:39 AM ~ Nicholas: Every dollar you make attorney general wants one dollar 2:05:00 ~ 12/9/2011 11:02:10 AM ~ Diane... 2:05:04 ~ 12/9/2011 11:02:14 AM ~ Nicholas: How much used in fund, balance 2:05:11 ~ 12/9/2011 11:02:22 AM ~ Diane budget yr 2009 - 2010..reverted remaining amount right now I do not know if we spent any of the money, received 200,000 supplemental budget...acute cases that may be capital cases, mitigation investigation so case in NC could take 300,000. Platte county has a case that may be a capital case 2:06:19 ~ 12/9/2011 11:03:29 AM ~ Nicholas: experts, reasonable expense ... 2:06:27 ~ 12/9/2011 11:03:38 AM ~ Diane: I am the gatekeepr, cost requests for experts submitted to the deputy Ryan Roden, I received specialty training on capital cases, I can tell the ADA guidelines, connections within the capital community..had good luck ..capital case is not an open check, have gone back to experts on billing, look at it incrementally, 2:07:36 ~ 12/9/2011 11:04:46 AM ~ Nicholas: Questions 2:07:41 ~ 12/9/2011 11:04:52 AM ~ Diane: Pg 13 Priority 4 IT hardware and software, licenses, webcams to supervisors, would like more meetings without travel costs, require supervisors to rely on case mgt system, responsible for assigning cases, expec them to be on top of the assignment of case loads. several supervisors on road quite a bit, more cost efficient. Recommended by the governoer Pg 14: Priority 5 .. hour incrase to even out rates, having a hard time getting people to take the contracts, so we wanted to add ... Govenor denyed request, adding 5 per hour to each 45, 47.50 and 50.00 Pg 15 Purchase two vehicles,,, govenor recommended only 1 vehicle, would put it in lander pg 15: priority 7: motor pool incrasing the rate for assigned vehicles...gov recommended 5000, satisfied with it. pg 23: Priority # 2: request for 3 full time attorneys, not additional funding, would request contract positions, will talk to the governor 2:12:01 ~ 12/9/2011 11:09:12 AM ~ Nicholas: talk to gov about impact on litigants, can reduce cost for the litigants, hrly rate of pay to induce litigants.. 2:12:40 ~ 12/9/2011 11:09:51 AM ~ Steward: Carbon county about GAL program, all of the problems seem to be tied to the lack of having a local person in RAwlins,,is one of the 3 positions for carbon county and how are your efforts progressing. 2:13:25 ~ 12/9/2011 11:10:36 AM ~ Diane: problems in carbon county, did get two local contract attorneys, would consider carbon county for full time person, would need office space, not active in sweetwater county right now, if they wanted to be active would cost 500,000 Big ones, Natrona County, Sweetwater County, ....carbon county is high on list pg 24 final exception request....replacement of computers, total amount reduced based on std pricing, satisfied with gove rec. 2:15:04 ~ 12/9/2011 11:12:15 AM ~ Von Flatern: pg 11, part B revnue, receives abuot 15%. Is that in kind or cash? 2:15:25 ~ 12/9/2011 11:12:36 AM ~ Diane: believe it is cash, based on a formula 2:15:37 ~ 12/9/2011 11:12:48 AM ~ Von Flatern: reimbursments going up and down by year.. 2:15:50 ~ 12/9/2011 11:13:00 AM ~ Diane: not suremake finding of defendents ability to pay, best guess is taht clients are unable to pay, we are working on a fee schedule and ... 2:16:25 ~ 12/9/2011 11:13:36 AM ~ Von Flatern: collections reimbursement funds not available? 2:16:45 ~ 12/9/2011 11:13:56 AM ~ diane: public defenders act states that money paid for fees goes back into the GF, it does not go into our coffers goes to state 2:17:09 ~ 12/9/2011 11:14:20 AM ~ Von FlaterN' 3rd sentence, ..Judge determines, money goiens into GF, 2:17:39 ~ 12/9/2011 11:14:49 AM ~ Diane: yes 2:17:43 ~ 12/9/2011 11:14:54 AM ~ Diane: If they really need that expert We would be O.K. One thing we don't know is how many cases were we going to get. We had to provide a terabite thumbdrive to each attorney. If we have to do accident reconstruction, dna etc. Utlimately the 8% reduction , a defendent could not proper representation 2:21:51 ~ 12/9/2011 11:19:02 AM ~ Nicholas: Right into Mineralos 2:23:27 ~ 12/9/2011 11:20:38 AM ~ Miners: Worked with Edlee until his untimely death. I started in October We have our program and it is very successful We have a lot of leaks in the system. Our rule stated that if you were a miner on a mine site you qualified, now it says a miner for 12 months. We had one AWAC employee In November they hired me. Wanted better representation. One in Rock Springs, one in Gillette. A part in Gillttte that works in the afternoon, Rock Springs in the morning. We are targeting muscle skeltal, hearing , ...... $2,000 for hearing aids If the audioligists says they need a second. There is a wellness ...... They bring in vans and give physicals We put some Miners wellness program Is huge, gives miners $5,000 We have changed the rule to 12 consective months,, someone caters 2 days a week, they think they qualify. We are making sure they are miners working at the MINES. Example one chiropractor was charging ...50/visit year We were paying $850 to $1,000 for prescription, they thought we were primary care We did another rule change for out of pocket expenses only. Used to be 40 - 50% of budget was prescription, now 9-11%. Hardship October asked miners to reregister They had to provide their insurance information. They also now have a registration card If they go to any doctor, it shows we will be last payer. They were testing people that were not registered. No retroactive 2:37:02 ~ 12/9/2011 11:34:13 AM ~ Meier Wellness benefits Some items are limited to once every 5 years. 2:37:44 ~ 12/9/2011 11:34:55 AM ~ Miner We are looking at that Peabody pays for physical, then gives $100 for taking the physical. 2:38:49 ~ 12/9/2011 11:36:00 AM ~ Nicholas What is the balance of your trust fund, What is the source 2:39:12 ~ 12/9/2011 11:36:22 AM ~ Miner Corpus = 83.7 mill. we can spend 5% Do you have more money coming in It's been growing 2:40:09 ~ 12/9/2011 11:37:20 AM ~ Nicholas Do you have a revune source. 2:40:30 ~ 12/9/2011 11:37:41 AM ~ Miner It's a state land trust fund. I know that any leasing or any income at all go into that fund. 2:41:16 ~ 12/9/2011 11:38:27 AM ~ Nicholas Substainablity of revenue I think there were years when you didn't spend your 5%. When you B11 it goes from what to what. 2:42:26 ~ 12/9/2011 11:39:36 AM ~ Miner right Comparison between the needs northeast and southwest. We treat them the same. 3,000 in the northeast We get more retried mininers in the southwest. We work really heard to get to the less populated arreas. They are 2:44:39 ~ 12/9/2011 11:41:50 AM ~ Nicholas Page 13 AWAC request and gov said yes Anything else for Mary 2:45:25 ~ 12/9/2011 11:42:36 AM ~ Hastert You pay into the Wyoming Mining Association What the reason 2:45:50 ~ 12/9/2011 11:43:00 AM ~ Miner It was to try to get on their mailing list. To locate miners 2:46:45 ~ 12/9/2011 11:43:56 AM ~ 2:46:58 ~ 12/9/2011 11:44:08 AM ~ Nicholas ASk if you could have a free membership 2:47:14 ~ 12/9/2011 11:44:25 AM ~ Haster You are requiring all the miners to register how are you doing it. 2:47:38 ~ 12/9/2011 11:44:49 AM ~ Mary We had 4,000, and ask them to re-register I haven't been pushing because we have holes to plug first. We are adjusting that by having an office in Green River. 2:49:17 ~ 12/9/2011 11:46:28 AM ~ Haster What about those in southeast Wyoming? 2:49:42 ~ 12/9/2011 11:46:53 AM ~ Mary We did have a glich in Guernsey. That is something we are going to address. 2:50:21 ~ 12/9/2011 11:47:32 AM ~ Hastert If they worked in Wyoming and moved out and they are not eligable 2:50:51 ~ 12/9/2011 11:48:02 AM ~ Mary Yes they are exempted. THe statut says they have to be a resident while working and residing in Wyoming. We have 2:52:43 ~ 12/9/2011 11:49:54 AM ~ Hastert Does Constitution take authority over the statute 2:53:14 ~ 12/9/2011 11:50:24 AM ~ Nicholas Any other questions 2:53:29 ~ 12/9/2011 11:50:40 AM ~ Esquibel What about getting the mobile van in southeast Wyoming. This $5,000 benifit are we having any problems when your are the primary provider. 2:55:00 ~ 12/9/2011 11:52:10 AM ~ Esquible THe quarry west of town, are they considered a miner 2:55:29 ~ 12/9/2011 11:52:40 AM ~ Mary Yes 2:55:35 ~ 12/9/2011 11:52:46 AM ~ Essquibel What was the previous benefit 2:56:06 ~ 12/9/2011 11:53:17 AM ~ Mary It was limited 2:56:23 ~ 12/9/2011 11:53:33 AM ~ Esquibel Guidelines from workmans compl 2:56:48 ~ 12/9/2011 11:53:59 AM ~ Nicholas Do you want to have lunch??? Wolf your pizza down and come back